June 29, 2005
The president's speech
June 29 - Not much to add on the
President's address last night, although the irritation by some that Sept. 11 was mentioned would seem to affirm Rove's observations on the reaction of the left to that infamous day.
Root causes, people. Remember them?
They [the enemy] know that as freedom takes root in Iraq, it will inspire millions across the Middle East to claim their liberty, as well. And when the Middle East grows in democracy and prosperity and hope, the terrorists will lose their sponsors, lose their recruits, and lose their hopes for turning that region into a base for attacks on America and our allies around the world.
As we inch toward success, those who chose to express their opposition to the war by characterizing it as President Bush's personal war it might do well to remember that the Civil War at one time was referred to as "Mr. Lincoln's War" and he ended up being known as the Great Emancipator.
It almost makes me glad that journalists don't take history courses.
One perhaps original thought: as I read the speech, it struck me that media focus on the presidential election of 2008 might inadvertantly be sending a different message to the anti-Iraqi terrorists, who may be believe that they need only hold on for another 3-1/2 years until an appeasement president is elected. (Please note that is not an accusation, but merely an observation with a vague speculation.)
Nice joke in this email which I got from a friend who got it from a friend who's brother sent it to him. Need I mention the brother lives in Alberta?
A popular bar had a new robotic bartender installed.
A fellow came in for a drink and the robot asked him, "What's your I.Q.?"
The man replied, "150."
The robot then proceeded to make conversation about Quantum physics, string theory, atomic chemistry and so on.
The man listened intently and thought, "This is really cool." The man decided to test the robot. He walked out of the bar, turned around, and came back in for another drink.
Again the robot asked him, "What's your I.Q.?"
The man responded, "100." So the robot started talking about football, baseball, and so on. The man thought to himself, "Wow, this is really cool."
The man went out and came back in a third time. As before the robot asked him, "What's your I.Q.?"
The man replied, "50."
The robot then said, "So, you gonna vote Liberal again?"
I will be working two shifts tomorrow (mostly so than I won't feel guilty when I book off on July 4) so want to take the opportunity now to wish those of you getting out of town a happy Canada Day and Independence Day! Camping, barbecues, baseball games, hot dogs and beer. What's not to like?
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Canada Day and Independence Day! Camping, barbecues, baseball games, hot dogs and beer. What's not to like?
Try not to think of
this.
Posted by: Bill Strong at June 30, 2005 01:24 AM (NSC61)
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Oops, that would be
this
Posted by: Bill Strong at June 30, 2005 01:27 AM (NSC61)
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Bill, I've spent the past few days trying to come up with something more positive and uplifting to say about Canada and failed.
Frum's article is definitely depressing.
Posted by: Debbye at July 03, 2005 01:30 AM (M4DkP)
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June 28, 2005
I wish I had me a Democrat to vote against!
June 28 - Sorry for the non-posting; I've been trying to get to sleep before the full heat of the day sets in but that means I wake up when the family starts drifting home and using the computer.
I have to work tonight so will miss the president's message, but there are some things I wish he would say in addition to those he is expected to say.
I wish he would start by reminding us of the feared casualty figures in the taking of Baghdad at the start of Iraqi Operation Freedom. You'll remember, I'm sure, the urban house-to-house fighting scenario that was envisioned; I don't remember exactly how many casualties were anticipated but it was in the five digit range.
We were prepared to accept those losses. What does it say about us that we were prepared to accept a huge number of casualties in the early days of the war but can't handle what are undeniably lower figures over a longer period?
I wish he would say that the anti-Iraqi forces too understand Vietnam Syndrome and that they know that the steady drip-drip of casualties sap at our will and fortitude. The only issue is if we will capitulate to it or, recognizing their strategy, remain implacable.
Nothing has changed in our reasons for trying to change the unchallenged rule by despots in the mid-east. The mission remains the same. It takes effort and will to endure in any long-term struggle, and we have those qualities within us and need only to marshall them.
I wish he would say that "everything" didn't change on Sept. 11; that day was simply one event in a series of attacks on the U.S. What did change is that we had a president who responded with more than words.
I wish he would then remind those indignant over Rove's remarks about the response of many liberals to Sept. 11 that those recollections were accurate, and that perhaps they doth protest too much and that should we revert to pre-Sept. 11 policies we would be making ourselves more, not less, vulnerable.
I wish he would explain to Barbara Boxer that the reason he is unable to get European allies to assist in Iraq is because they are more anxious to appease the Islamofascists than confront them. It's not a failure in American leadership but rather the timidity of a European leadership that has yet again failed to confront fascism.
I wish he would remind Sen. Clinton that she had her chance to influence American response to terror attacks during her eight years in the White House and that, given the abject failure of the Clinton administration to adequately respond to those attacks, shutting up might be a good plan.
I wish he would go off-topic and state that it is deeply stupid to start the 2008 presidential campaign now, and remind Democrats that they would be wiser to worry over the mid-term elections.
I wish he would tell the US media to lay off the round the clock coverage of the missing girl in Aruba.
Lastly, I wish he would denounce the "no trans fat" Oreo and urge legislation that declares the original Oreo to be a national treasure and forbid tampering with or altering it.
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I was wondering about you.
Ref the oreo, is that a replacement (sounds like it) or in addition?
If it's a replacement I've bought my last oreo - I'm the sort who looks for "No Preservatives" on potato chip bags in order to avoid them. I WANT the things to stay fresh and not have to eat the whole bag as soon as I open it.
Posted by: Jay at June 28, 2005 10:39 PM (PuNh2)
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I wish the President did not say anything at all, let the Democrats howl and make fools of themselves the more the better I say. The President making a statement only gives the naysayers more fuel for the fire for the Democrats to cry about.
Posted by: Dex at June 29, 2005 02:36 PM (kO17P)
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The Oreo cookie's fate is an international priority. Certainly to kids and the kid in me as well.
Secondly the priority of Iraq is a paramount objective to win. Criminals are being streamed across Iraqi borders to engage our forces for freedom and democracy.
Pulling out of Iraq will only change the focus of those fudamentalist thugs to the next USA military local. Pulling out will gain nothing but a new target local.
We all depend on the outcome of events in Iraq. I am thankful for the resolve of qualified people in the Bush government and the steadfastness of of President Goerge Bush as well. 73s TG
Posted by: TonyGuitar at June 29, 2005 03:28 PM (rmMzv)
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I'm of the "no fat? no flavour!" mentality myself.
Posted by: Candace at June 30, 2005 03:28 AM (R7nd+)
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"I wish he would tell the US media to lay off the round the clock coverage of the missing girl in Aruba."
That seems to be the exclusive domain of Fox. I don't understand how this requires wall-to-wall coverage on the most popular news service in your country. No wonder you folks know so little about the important things in this world...
Posted by: Canuck at July 01, 2005 11:11 AM (vTlPs)
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Great comment, considering all the Canadians who had to visit US blogs to find out what was going on in their own country.
Posted by: Jay at July 02, 2005 12:13 AM (PuNh2)
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Jay, Canuck is just celebrating Canada Day in the manner in which too many Canadians - at least in this city - are most comfortable: by trashing Americans.
But I must humbly apologize for my irritation at Fox and CNN. I was wrong (see July 2 post.)
Posted by: Debbye at July 02, 2005 12:37 PM (f1beX)
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I was referring to the poster above me, not your basic post.
Posted by: Jay at July 03, 2005 07:45 AM (PuNh2)
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June 18, 2005
Standing up for dad
June 18 - David at
Silence No More has written a insightful and timely post on
Standing Up For Dad:
I believe that most of the aggression and violence found in today's society can be attributed to two reasons: the lack and demise of traditional physical activities in our schools and the lack of fathers in their children's lives.
As a kid growing up before the onset of political correctness, staples like dodge ball and floor hockey were part and parcel of our daily segregated gym class in school, along with playground games like tag, red rover and 'King of the Mountain'. This served several purposes: we burnt off energy and aggression through fair play, learned our strengths and weaknesses, teamwork and individual successes and kept in shape. It also allowed us to learn boundaries and limits for our aggression before we would be punished. (My emphasis)
(I was going to say more on that last sentence but I think maybe it's something you either do or don't get. Hint: the words "learn" and "before punishment" are key; furthermore, compare "learn" with "teach.")
On the underrated importance of fathers taking the lead on some aspects of childraising, I cannot stress enough how important it is that he not be belittled, corrected, or interfered with in any way when he is talking to the kids. If rolling one's eyes must be done, do it in another room. Show the man some respect, for heaven's sake. I am so tired of women who think they gain something besides a reputation for boorishness by degrading men. What they really get is boys who are ashamed of being male (try to fix that self-esteem issue!)
I should disclose that I have three sons who have grown into fine men.
When they were young, it didn't take long for me to realize that their Dad was qualified to teach them things that I couldn't, things like standing up to pee and shaving.
He taught them how to fight fair, and how to parry, duck and counter-punch. He taught them how to pull their punches. He taught them how to avoid a fight and when to brace themselves because a fight was going to happen simply because the other guy wanted it. He taught them that they would heal from most everything except the shame of backing down, but that discretion was also a sign of true valour.
[Me? I was all about "finding alternatives." Their Dad told them that everything I said was absolutely right and that peaceful solutions were the best solutions, but that it was always good to have a Plan B. That's when he took them outside for some basic lessons.]
Dad taught them to stick up for one another and that the older ones should take care of the younger ones. They learned by logical extension not only that it was indeed their business when a big kid was picking on a little kid but that if another little kid got involved then the big kid felt outnumbered and might say stuff while he walked away but what mattered was that he walked away. He taught them that victory comes in many forms and never to crow.
He taught them that the best offense and defense was to look the other guy squarely in the eyes.
He also taught them - by deed as much as by word - to be courteous to women, to carry the heavy stuff, and open doors. He taught them that women don't always fight fair, and that if a woman wanted to rant then just take it - it would blow over - but never, ever hit a woman. He taught them that men who hit women were the lowest of the low, only barely above rapists and child abusers, and not real men but chickensh*ts.
This man routinely left his clothes on the floor, yet he taught them how to be good men. Really, which is mattered most? They are his clothes and his business because I'm not his mother.
And that's the key: husbands and significant others don't need to be mothered but need to be wifed and be made to be feel that they are indeed significant, and the real pity of it all is that today's Super! Feminist! society disparages that kind of uncritical love.
By the way, the Barbara Kay column David references is available in full here, courtesy of Proud To Be Canadian, and has one more praise of men that is too often given short shrift:
Far more men are engaged in protecting women and children from violence than perpetrating it. Healthy boys with strong fathers—and father figures like male teachers—learn that their attraction to power can be a tool for doing good. Their instincts for gallantry, fair play and protectiveness are easily mobilized when aggression is properly channeled.
Here's a thought: let's stop taking them for granted and say "Thank you."
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Thanks, Debbye, from an American in Ottawa. David Giles is a true hero, who took on the Family Law Systems of Saskatechewan and Alberta in order to ensure his abducted daughter would have a dad.
Posted by: The Wild Duck at June 18, 2005 05:51 PM (Zjh8u)
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What incredible posts by both of you. Fathers are important, even when they piss us off as either fathers or husbands. Their importance to a child is immeasurable, and we all need to remember that.
Thanks.
Posted by: Candace at June 19, 2005 04:00 AM (R7nd+)
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Think carefully. Things have changed. Service is now India Based. Amazing testimonials at *WWW.buzzmachine.com* comments= 81 and rising.
Don't buy that notebook yet. Be informed. Be aware. Be happy with IBM or Mac. This off topic interruption will save many Debbye friends anguish and heartach. You will thank me for this. 73s TG
Posted by: TonyGuitar at June 22, 2005 04:20 PM (rmMzv)
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you've been tagged
http://wakinguponplanetx.blogspot.com/2005/06/childrens-books-tag.html
Posted by: Candace at June 23, 2005 02:47 AM (R7nd+)
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Hmmm...almost a week and no posts...did the Liberal Party get Debbye "disappeared"? ;-)
Posted by: Dave J at June 24, 2005 11:08 AM (CYpG7)
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Echoing Dave J, we need more Debbye! Here's hoping that this is just a 'puter glitch and that you and yours are doing fine.
Posted by: Tuning Spork at June 26, 2005 09:02 PM (FAkKg)
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Sorry about the down time, folks. Trying to sleep during the day in this heat has resulted in little actual sleep, and when I do get up the family is already home and using the computer.
Conclusion: I need to get my family out more!
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The Real UN Blog
June 18 - Given the discussion over the House bill requiring that the U.S. withhold funding from the U.N. until some long overdue measures for fiscal accountabiliy and whistle-blower protection are implemented, it is imperative that we take a sober look at the vital role of the U.N. in today's world.
Blair Hansen wrote something a while back that I think worthwhile to read in the light of this debate: The Real UN Blog. It puts everything into the proper context.
(I really hope he starts posting again.)
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Good Blog. "I'm 50 and have long since stopped reading or watching the mainstream press." When I read that in his About Me sidebar I bookmarked it even though he isn't writing anymore.
I hope the House bill requiring the withholding of money from the UN gets through the Senate. I wonder though. What I'd really like to see is for the US to take a stand against the UN and kick them out of the country. Then take a stand against all nations that are dictatorships and enslave their people, like China and much of the Middle East, and deny them access to the American market. Also deny access to corporations who have moved over to China to take advantage of their slave labour laws. That would be good for American workers. I'm a free enterpriser and very anit-protectionist, but the international trade field is not level these days.
If the US isn't going to take a stand who will?
Posted by: John Crittenden at June 18, 2005 12:21 PM (cONYb)
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Debbye,
Blair was at the 'National Capital Region Elite Blog Mafia' meet and greet last night. Doesn't look like he wants to start up again any time soon. He's very busy with life these days.
Posted by: Dr_Funk at June 18, 2005 06:30 PM (Ytf+h)
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This is a note questioning Democracy Watch who are supposed to champion Honest Democracy and human rights. Just a gentle nudge.
Canadian Libscamming government is breaking the first rule in Democracy watch creed. But you choose not to see that, as Democracy Watch is funded by the Liberanos Government.
Liberals are helping you do well in Africa so it's a case of *do not disturb*, is that correct?
Otherwise you would have picket lines marching on the hill and in front of Governor General Clarkson's mansion. Placards would read, * $4.6 B not budgeted*, *NDP policy not debated*, Out with Adscam* *$4.6 M in missing DND Computers*, *DO sworn Duty*,Dissolve House Now* , *No Govt. by Fraud*.
What is Democracy Watch logic for not demonstrating?
73s YonyGuitar at BendGovernment.blogspot.com
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Explaining oneself
June 18 - Ex-pat Yank Robert Tumminello has written about
the experience of living abroad during and after Sept. 11 and the accumulation of events that led to his becoming a blogger:
Yet what was also troubling was how so many in the British mass media were becoming increasingly at ease with "intellectuals", "scholars" and "activists" who possessed what can only be described as "interesting" takes on American policy and just about anything to do with Americans as people. Indeed, nothing was off limits: Americans are fat; they are idiots; they are racists; they are gun-lovers; they are hypocrites; they hate Muslims; they drive cars; the drive SUVs; they are Christians (oh, the horrors that some actually are Christians!). You name it. Of course, if an American so much as quietly mumbled "boo" about disagreeing with someone who thinks it's approved by a holy book to crash a hijacked plane suicidally into a building, he is deemed to be "intolerant".
There we were. Although the attitude was not universal of course, while in the U.S. during September and October 2001, as Americans tried to figure out what to do next and worried about what further attacks might be in the pipeline, in too much British and other media, Americans were simultaneously ceasing to be "people". Instead, Americans were more than ever before just human representatives of some Zionist-defending (or, just replace "Zionist" with a three letter word starting with "J"), environment rubbishing, globe-gobbling, imperialist corporate state. I also found increasingly that a large segment of the population here really did have no clue about America other than what they see and hear in that media. That is not a criticism; it's just a fact: Americans are, somehow, "a quick read"; everyone else in the world is, of course, "complex".
What the? Looking for somewhere sanity might be found (it sure wasn't in most newspapers, on radio, or TV), I retreated to the net. (Amazing that sentence, isn't it? Looking for sanity on the internet?)
I found this to be an absorbing read because it recounts a journey back to the common, American denominator without being maudlin or bitter.
Many of us have been surprised to find ourselves agreeing with the Republicans on a number of issues, and I think Robert summed up the reason:
While not a "conservative" technically, I believed -- and still do -- that we as Americans are all united by one thing: While we might argue over "policy A" or "policy B", overall America and democracy and freedom are worth defending. Period.
And I found that conservatives, far more than my liberal friends and increasingly even moderate Democrats, seemed to better understand that.
I don't recall "America, democracy and freedom are worth defending" being on the list when exit polls were conducted in the 2004 presidential election, and the fact that it wasn't reflects indicates just how out of touch pollsters are with those they presume to analyze and "explain."
If the American media and pollsters are that disconected with Americans, how can foreign media not amplify that disconnect?
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Excellent read. The reasons he mentions are the reasons why I'm a conservative as well. The difference between Americans and Canadians is that Americans seem to me to be American first and hyphenated Americans second. In Canada the reverse seems to be true. Those are the dangers of the great multi-national myth. Witness what is going on across much or Europe right now. There will be a huge backlash in both America and Canada soon. America first and then Canada will follow, as they always do. But there will have to be a change in government here first.
Don't forget though that almost half of Americans don't think like this. That's a little unsettling to me.
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Back in the "good ol' days"
June 18 - This was forwarded to me:
TO ALL THE KIDS WHO SURVIVED THE 1940's, 50's, 60's, and 70's:
First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they carried us.
They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a can, and didn't get tested for diabetes.
Then after that trauma, our baby cribs were covered with bright colored lead-based paints.
We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets, and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets, not to mention the risks we took hitchhiking.
As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags.
Riding in the back of a pick up on a warm day was always a special treat.
We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle.
We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE actually died from this.
We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank soda pop with sugar in it, but we weren't overweight because WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING.
We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on.
No one was able to reach us all day, and we actually were able to function and survive.
We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem.
We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's, X-boxes, no video games at all, no 99 channels on cable, no video tape movies, DVD'S, no surround sound, no cell phones, no personal computers, no Internet or Internet chat rooms! .........WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them.
We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no lawsuits from these accidents.
We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us forever.
We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games with sticks and tennis balls and although we were told it would happen, we did not put out very many eyes.
We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them.
Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that.
The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law!
This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever.
The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.
We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL.
And you are one of them! CONGRATULATIONS!
You might want to share this with others who have had the luck to grow up as kids, before the government regulated our lives for our own good.
While you are at it, forward it to your kids so they will know how brave their parents were.
Kind of makes you want to run through the house with scissors, doesn't it?!
I would add that no one cared about our self-esteem. They did care about our manners, though, as well as our grades, doing our chores, and shoveling the sidewalk and/or carrying grocery bags for elderly neighbours.
- Unknown (at least to me; if you know who wrote it, let me know and I'll append their name.)
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Heavens sakes. I'm trying to get out of here to go pick some strawberries. Three good posts in a row. I knew I should have checked 'Being American in T.T." after I got back.
This is funny and very true. My children and I have talked about this several times. Their mother did most of all those things, as did I except I didn't smoke. But in those days we didn't know. Today we do, and many of us still do them.
"And you are one of them! CONGRATULATIONS!" I feel so proud. :-)
Oh good, that's the last post for today. I'm outa' here.
Posted by: John Crittenden at June 18, 2005 12:36 PM (cONYb)
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I have to disagree with "or we just walked in". I never did that, couldn't imagine anybody doing that then, can't now.
Posted by: Jay at June 18, 2005 02:30 PM (PuNh2)
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Glad you both relished it!
John, enjoy the strawberries!
Jay, I grew up in a town where the door was usually open and we caught heck for knocking and drawing the Mom away from her housework (she's hear the knock and think it was someone important!)
Proper procedure was to walk in, yell out your presence with a "Hello, Mrs. Cleaver" but far more commonly we'd stand outside with our bikes and yell "Can Daria come out and play!" (Note the use of the imperative rather than interrogative.)
I can't remember how often my friends and I would help each other finish our chores just so we could play. And, yeah, I've long since lost track of how many times I was admonished "don't yell."
Posted by: Debbye at June 18, 2005 03:27 PM (Hf+wx)
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I remember the yelling thing (Minnesota) - but it was for me more often in the style of "Is Jay home?". Once that was resolved you could move forward.
Posted by: Jay at June 18, 2005 03:33 PM (PuNh2)
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"The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law!"
Worse than getting caught, would have been if one of our fathers found out because he would have informed the other fathers.
If a cop had taken us into a backroom and used a rubber hose on us it would have been preferable than having to face the music at home.
Posted by: Tim at June 19, 2005 07:11 AM (6x5bP)
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Shall I just cut to the chase and invoke Monty Python right away?
"Kids these days don't know how lucky they are..."
Ending with:
"We used to have to get up at half past ten at night, half an hour BEFORE we'd gone to bed, clean out the lake, drink a glass of cold sulfuric acid for breakfast, crawl naked in a blizzard uphill both ways to work, work 29 hours a day, pay for permission to come to work, go home, and then our dad would kill us, and dance about on our graves singing hallelujah. If we were lucky."
;-)
Posted by: Dave J at June 19, 2005 10:31 AM (CYpG7)
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There are still some of the old values in the far north and in the bush here on Vancouver Island.
There are some or maybe just one who visits my shack in the bush. They chop a bit of wood. They leave things as the found them and may even use the radio gear.
There is no hasp or lock on the door, and they are welcome.
If ball caps find the place and steal the CB gear and the Auto Battery, it's no real loss. So far so good. 73s TG
Posted by: TonyGuitar at June 20, 2005 12:37 PM (rmMzv)
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Unfortunately for that whole screed, it is completely wrong.
It wasn't until the 1980's that regulation that you speak of DECREASED... The 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's, and 70's were more productive than the last 25 years because Keynesian economic regulation WORKED BETTER than the current system of NO regulation.
Read a book.
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June 16, 2005
Douglas Wood's rescue
June 16 - Wretchard makes some very shrewd observations about the rescue of Australian Douglas Wood in Iraq in
The Six Weeks.
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Double-dealing in Librano-land
June 16 -
The Judge is Angry:
MONTREAL - First, it was Jean Chretien taking John Gomery to court. Now, Justice Gomery is taking Paul Martin to court.
more...
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I predict that we're going to see more and more of this between now and next spring. The Liberals may very well rue the decision to not have an election in May/June, when they could have been seen as 'doing the right thing' after they lost the non-confidence votes in the House. Martin could also have claimed to be defending the principles of the House and showing due respect. Now he can do neither and these things will only continue to get worse for him.
Don't believe the polls. Canadians are sick and tired of Martin.
I also predict that these slap lawsuits against anyone who dares to criticize the Liberals will also backfire BIGTIME.
Posted by: John Crittenden at June 16, 2005 02:38 PM (cONYb)
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The Judge (Gomery) is angry; Stephen Harper is angry; who is the next angry man?
Is this a trend?
Name it Canadian Angry.
Ya heard it here first.
Posted by: maz2 at June 16, 2005 10:01 PM (d3jak)
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Yes Maz2 I am angry 2 and John, I hope you are correct. I know you are right though.
We all agree Regime change is long overdue.
What steps do you suggest?
Demonstrations have taken place to save the stickle back minnow.
What does it take to demonstrate in order to save our Canada?
Life is unreal at times.
Does it strike you as odd that no marching or even standing group demonstrations are taking place?
What groups do you think are most likely to march in protest of Hundreds of Millions of our money being siphoned off?
Or, what group seems most fitting to demonstrate against Vote buying fraud proven by four hours of negotiation on Grewal recordings?
We analyze and outline the situation in detail very well. What action, media coverage do we generate?
Seems there should be CPC people with leadership ability to get some informed people or even bloggers, to walk up and down in front of Governor General Clarkson's mansion and on the hill.
They should all have a few well worded hand bills or news releases to hand to the media.
The mansion has just been put up for sale, so time is running out.
73s TG at BendGovernment.blogspot.com
Posted by: TonyGuitar at June 18, 2005 02:59 AM (rmMzv)
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I love that article. I sincerely hope the Libs last long enough for Gomery to complete his report and then...
run as a CPC candidate in Quebec!!!!!
Would that not be PERFECT????
sorry for the yelling, but really, what a f*ing fantasy that is ;-)
(note to self: get a life)
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I guess Canadians are just too different for us to understand down here but I'm amazed the way the population doesn't seem to care, the way they're just shrugging it off.
Posted by: Jay at June 19, 2005 01:14 AM (PuNh2)
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Amazing, poor communications skills and all. While everyone slings mud, no one seems to notice Belinda has done the impossible.
Her loyalty is the building of wealth and power. Thus she is loyal to Magna and all the varied manufacturing plants that supply the variety of products that is Magna. She has won!
Belinda now heads the ministry that has the most potential to benefit her corporate interests. Namely the laws and conditions that apply to part time workers.
Part time workers require almost no pension and benefits overhead. They are the quickest growing segment of manufacturing labour.
So let's wait until Belinda loses one before we fling dirt at her.
We think she has clawed her way onto the Titanic, but if the Martinites have bought off the Judges just as they have the MSM, then Belinda may be correct again. May not be the Titanic after all.
Ooh my aching headache.
They are getting away with murdering our rights to honest government and we are quibbling about SSM.
SSM only applies to a tiny part of our population.
We are the mainstream. Government is supposed to reflect mainstream priorities first.
The mainstream priority is to settle hundreds of millions worth of fraud and scams. We can deal with SSM when the fabric of government is repaired and ready to deal with lesser items.
While Belinda ruthlessly achieves her goals, we do not have so much as one picketer on the hill or in front of Governor General Clarkson's mansion.
We should have pickets marching in both places with placcards reading *Dissolve Govt Now*, *Stop this Fraud*,
*NDP not Elected*, * $4.6 Billion not Debated*. and more.
Respect your enemy. Could be a shark in disguise.
BendGovernment.blogspot.com 73s TonyGuitar
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That damned gun registry again
June 16 -
Audit targets firearm registry:
OTTAWA -- Costs for the controversial gun registry program could continue to "spiral out of control" unless the government takes steps to curb spending, an external audit warns.
The financial report compiled by Hill and Knowlton for the Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat, obtained under Access to Information by Conservative MP Garry Breitkreuz, recommends the government shift the Canada Firearms Centre to another larger department to wrestle down costs.
I have a much better idea of what to do with that infernal registry.
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A friend asked my help to transport a 25 weapons collection for update registration at the local RCMP shop.
It would have been more practical for an officer to check these out at her residence.
This way a government office is tied up for half a day, along with a specialized officer who seems to do little else.
Most of the weapons are works of art and craftsmanship and do not function. Some require ball, shot and some wooly stuff.
No one in our group has shot much other than duck.
To restore your faith in some Canadians. There are many who have commented on the Registry from the beginning with only one gesture. It mainly involves the middle finger.
What's the use of a registry when the majority of handguns are lumps at the middle back of most drug wholesalers and retailers belts? I have personally seen this.
The cost for one person registration? Transport to the office. Occupation of three people and one interview room for half a day.
Personnel to do computer data entry. Paper handling down the line. Photography.
Pay off? One in a million chance that one of these antiques could be traced to a crime.
Awww c'mon, wake up, smell the gunpowder, and scrap this stupid and pointless registry. Let the paper shufflers get back to solving crime. 73s TG
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A bewildering number of lawsuits
June 16 - My question about the libel suit against
David Frum has been answered - in spades. Many thanks to Candace for finding this
discussion thread on the Frum column and for digging up an older item on
Adscam-related lawsuits.
I'll state this up front: I believe it is up to bloggers to stand by and defend these commentators. It pisses me off beyond reason that their colleagues are not doing so, but things are what they are in Canada these days and it won't be the first time bloggers were trailblazers.
Frum wrote he has been served with papers accusing him of libel.
There are confirmed reports that National Post columnist Andrew Coyne and reporter Laurent Soumis of the Journal de Montreal have also been served and, although I have yet to find confirmation, CTV's Mike Duffy and Warren Kinsella may also have been served. (Note that I have no way of ascertaining if these four as the ones to which Frum was referring and there are in fact good reason to doubt this is the case.)
Of necessity this is a fairly long post so click on the extended entry for more, but I'm putting Kate's opening on this side of the post because she tears a deservedly giant strip off the feckless Canadian media:
In any sane democratic country, a slap suit against an opinion columnist by a government operative would provoke outrage and non-stop editorials in the mainstream press. The item would be leading the newscasts, with punditry convening soberly on our TV screens. Reporter scrums would pepper government leaders to explain their actions in curtailling that most hallowed (in their eyes) of all freedoms - freedom of the press.
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"...the truth is not relevant in libel suits up here."
Is that seriously correct?! I mean, I know that defamation is easier to prove in common-law countries outside the US, given that under the old English rule rather than
New York Times v. Sullivan, truth is an affirmative defense rather than falsehood being an actual element of the tort, but truth being irrelevant seems to go far far beyond that. If that's the case, it gets me to wondering why Canada rather than England isn't the international libel forum of choice. Wouldn't/couldn't the contours of the law of defamation vary from province to province in Canada anyway?
Posted by: Dave J at June 16, 2005 02:37 PM (WV4/D)
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Contours of law may not matter much when the sledgehammer of cash is the tool of choice by the Liberal scam artists.
Misgivings about how much of the judisury may be honestly unbiased is something I have wondered about for some time. 73s TG
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Something in the water? Canadians apathetic about theft of public monies.
Canadian media professionals Apathetic about coming to the defense of fellow media types?
73s TG
Posted by: TonyGuitar at June 18, 2005 03:25 AM (rmMzv)
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Great entry "Deb". I agree that Bloggers should tangle with the legal bunch but I fear it would be a wasted effort. Most people aren't watching...nobody gives a damn anymore.
And nothing that happens in this country would surprise me or those who ignore it all.
It's "La La Land" -- Writ Large
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Hi Jack! I get what you're saying, but if we only publicize these lawsuits we're still doing more than the media!
Seriously, how many Canadians are even aware that commentators have been targeted? One would think the media would be howling over this, and their lack of howl speaks volumes.
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Tagged again
June 16 - I've been tagged again - twice- in the book game and again the answers of those who tagged me are very interesting. Shaken calls it a "book virus bookthing" but good-naturedly answers the questions
here.
A lot of people including Shaken have cited The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand. I'm embarassed to admit I've never read it, but maybe it's about time I did.
Bruce was also politely requested to contribute and does so after he tries to track down the origin of what he too terms a "virus" and again, there are some surprises in his answers - like listing all 21 books of the Master and Commander series.
Both Shaken and Bruce list The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich as books that meant a great deal to them and, like The Fountainhead, it's a title that has appeared fairly regularly.
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Canada criticized by U.N. committee on arbitrary detention
May 16 -
UN group condemns Canada:
OTTAWA (CP) - A UN committee says it is gravely concerned about Canada's system of jailing suspected terrorists without trial using national security certificates.
The UN committee on arbitrary detention, which is visiting Canada at the federal government's invitation, said persons detained under security certificates are denied the right to a fair hearing.
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The committee noted that all four of the people currently detained under security certificates are Arab Muslims, and one of them has been detained for five years.
All four of the suspects now in detention argue they face a risk of torture if returned to their homelands.
The timing of these criticisms coincides with accusations by the Canadian Council on American-Islamic Relations that security forces have used
unacceptable intimidation when investigating terrorism.
Shaken refutes the allegations quite admirably.
But everything happens in threes, right? So of course it's only now being reported that last February yet another member of the Khadr family had come under scrutiny. This latest involved the seizure of Zaynab Khadr's laptop when she landed at Pearson Airport after a trip to Pakistan. The contents of her laptop allegedly included bin Laden tape clips calling for - what else? the murder of Americans. She says she didn't know that the clips and some songs - including one titled "I Am A Terrorist" - were on her computer.
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Frum and Steyn on Canada
June 16 - David Frum's
A Scandal So Immense is a concise description of events that lead to the political crisis in Canada. He gives just the facts, as they say, and the accumulative impact is immense when viewed in the whole.
By the way, I didn't realize before I read this item that David Frum was among at least five people who have been served with libel papers:
There is though one warning I'd better immediately deliver to readers: Along with at least four other public commentators, I have recently been served with libel papers by a leading figure in this story. ..
Is this public knowledge? I could well have missed reading about it during the past couple of days, but I thought I had kept abreast of most of the big stories.
So even if I'm only the latest in an entire parade of people who have said so, I think it worthwhile to go on record and state that this is outrageous. These suits may well be nuisance suits, but, if only by their stifling effect, they constitute an explicit threat to press freedoms and freedom of speech.
Back to the main subject, Frum touches on some key points over this recent period. On corruption:
Some of that money ended up in the pockets of influential Liberals, allegedly including the brother of former prime minister Jean Chretien. Some was kicked back to the Liberal party and its campaign workers. The Gomery inquiry has also revealed a disturbing nexus--that's a word to which no lawyer can object--between senior figures in the Liberal party and organized crime.
On the Gomery Inquiry:
Then Judge Gomery took his hearings onto cable TV. Night after night, Canadians heard firsthand stories of tens of thousands of dollars in cash left in envelopes on restaurant tables, of alleged Mafia figures giving orders to party chairmen, of kickbacks, bribes, and fraud. ..
On Paul Martin and how he secured the votes to survive the budget vote:
Paul Martin has always benefited immensely from his reputation as the Mr. Clean of the Liberal party. ..
The first thing he had to do was trample on Canada's constitutional traditions. ..
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And then Canadians learned the reason why: Over the period that the Martin government had been losing vote after vote in the House, it had been secretly negotiating with the disappointed loser of the Conservative party's 2004 leadership contest, Belinda Stronach, the billionaire heiress to an auto-parts and land-development fortune.
I've only quoted bits and it deserves to be read in full, especially the five reasons he offers to explain the public's reluctance for a change in government. (Link via
Newsbeat1.)
Mark Steyn tells of reading The Globe and Mail on a recent airplane flight. He's not overly complimentary. Then he spies a video monitor which instructs “To begin, press EXIT.”
From Exit strategy by Mark Steyn:
The Liberal Party of Canada” isn’t the catchiest name for a Quebec biker gang. .. it’s essentially engaged in the same activities as the other biker gangs: the Grits launder money; they enforce a ruthless code of omerta when fainthearted minions threaten to squeal; they threaten to whack their enemies; they keep enough cash on hand in small bills of non-sequential serial numbers to be able to deliver suitcases with a couple hundred grand hither and yon; and they sluice just enough of the folding stuff around law enforcement agencies to be assured of co-operation. The Mounties’ Musical Ride received $3 million from the Adscam funds, but, alas, the RCMP paperwork relating to this generous subsidy has been, in keeping with time-honoured Liberal book-keeping practices, “inadvertently lost.”
After a nice transition to a bit where he reminds us that the Westminster system
depends on a certain modesty and circumspection from the political class he suggests an exit strategy.
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I read Frum every chance I get. And I LOVE Steyn. He could write my obituary any day.
Posted by: John Crittenden at June 16, 2005 01:34 AM (cONYb)
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Debbie you think they would come after you next?
Posted by: Dex at June 16, 2005 09:43 AM (kO17P)
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John, at one time I wished they lived and worked out of Canada but they are safer where they are.
You're very astute, Dex. I tend to think I'm a bit down the food chain but even so I check my six and watch my wording.
Posted by: Debbye at June 16, 2005 12:06 PM (3cD+p)
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Did Steyn get his US citizenship?
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Jay, I don't know. It seems to me he travelled on a Canadian passport when he visited Iraq after the fall of Saddam, but that was 2 years ago.
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Those Grewal tapes (still)
June 15 - Whether they are altered, edited, or doctored, the Grewal tapes are still controversial.
Bloc Quebecois leader Gilles Duceppe seems to believe the contents of the tape are genuine, and says the Liberals are lying:
Duceppe said the prime minister has systematically refused to answer questions about when he became aware of backroom discussions with Tory MP Gurmant Grewal.
"When did he know? Did Paul Martin participate in a criminal act?" Duceppe said yesterday outside Parliament.
"He refuses to answer. And it's been a while. We're getting tired of being lied to, right in our face (by Liberals). "They're lying in the House. They're lying to the public."
Top Liberals were heard on tape discussing career opportunities with Grewal in exchange for missing a May 19 confidence vote.
The opposition insists the talks with Grewal were possible violations of anti-corruption provisions in the Criminal Code.
Martin spokesman Scott Reid said the Bloc leader is basing false allegations on doctored tapes.
The tapes are in the custody of the RCMP, and they will eventually get around to examining them (snark.)
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"The tapes are in the custody of the RCMP, and they will eventually get around to examining them (snark.)"
Wanna bet? Anyone remember the BDC documents that Chrétien said were manufactured and others said were genuine? They went into the RCMP black hole too.
I suspect those tapes are holding someone's office door open right now.
Posted by: keith at June 15, 2005 04:05 PM (xfdnu)
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I am sure that they found a way to get the tapes out several times before sending them to the RCMP... hence the delay, which the Libs figured was to their advantage.
It's still left leaning MSM that are the biggest issue for me. And that Scott Reid guy is the poster boy for birth control in my opinion.
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Duceppe has been hammering at the Liberals in question period for over a week now. Their only defense has been to keep repeating that the tapes were altered. Well, in order for the tapes to be altered, there had to actually be tapes to begin with. They can't deny that.
Still they refuse to answer what Martin knew and when he knew it. By refusing to answer the Liberals are pretty much admitting that Martin knew all along about the negotiations between Grewal, Dosanjh, and Murphy. He may have even been directly involved and is worried about the possibility of even more tapes or memos surfacing that show this and reveal him as a criminal.
After all, when you're dealing with a loose cannon and a serial taper (the Liberals' characterization) like Grewal, who knows what other tapes he may have stashed away.
Posted by: TimR at June 15, 2005 05:21 PM (rr+yX)
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Since I'm an American and probably don't know any better, I keep asking myself
"When are Canadians going to DO something about this?"
Posted by Gary at June 15, 2005 03:27 PM
Gary, Since I'm a Canadian and probably don't know any better, I keep asking myself
*When are Canadians going to start at least protesting in front of Governor General Clarkson's Mansion.
Thousands of miles separate me from the neighbourhood, or I would carry a big sign there proudly myself. Bet it would encourage others to join in.
*Dissolve Parliament Now!*
Someone who lives nearby should at least carry a sign. It's free, it's within the law, it's good exercise and it may bring some media attention to what should be obvious.
Gary, I have lived in the major cities of Canada and as a Canadian, I thought protest marches would be happening by now.
I admit it. I do not understand my fellow Canadians. 73s TG
Logic for GG to act is at; BendGovernment.blogspot.com
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Italians consider dumping the Euro
June 15 -
Italians consider trashing euro, returning to lira:
Roberto Castelli, the silver-haired Italian justice minister from the Northern League, a major coalition partner in the government of Silvio Berlusconi, said his party will present concrete proposals this week for calling a referendum on ditching the euro.
"Does [the British pound] sterling have no economic foundation because it is outside the euro?" he asked. "Is Denmark living in absolute poverty because it is outside the euro? Are Swedes poor because they are outside the euro?"
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Nevertheless, government economists say privately Italy could gain short-term economic benefits from leaving the euro.
By devaluing its currency, Italy could immediately boost exports, jobs and manufacturing investment. The real value of Italy's massive public debt, equivalent to some 105 percent of gross domestic product, could be slashed by devaluation.
EU leaders are furious about rebellious Italian dissatisfaction with the single currency. "It is just inconceivable that a country could envisage dropping out of the euro," said Jean-Claude Juncker, the prime minister of postage-stamp-sized Luxembourg, which is currently the revolving European Union president.
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This is a very good thing. The fact that France, Denmark, Sweden and others have rejected the Euro and a unified Europe is wonderful news. The Euro is promoted by those who want to set up a socialist one-world government, a single currency, and a single religion around the world. This is the objective of the UN and those who back it, like the Demarais family, Maurice Strong, and others.
In Canada the Liberal Party supports it and are dong the bidding of the Demaraises, et al, and they are further along than in the US. Here they've already gaken our guns away from us and created a gimme, socialist mindset that has kep't the Liberal Party in power for the last twelve years.
God help us if we don't stop this soon.
Posted by: John Crittenden at June 15, 2005 04:21 PM (cONYb)
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Good gravy man - the only thing you left out was the Bildebergers. Your tinfoil hat needs replacing, because radiation is clearly leaking in...
Posted by: Flanstein at June 15, 2005 04:33 PM (Vwo8l)
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Did you mean a single "no religion"?
Posted by: Jay at June 15, 2005 05:51 PM (PuNh2)
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"It is just inconceivable that a country could envisage dropping out of the euro," said Jean-Claude Juncker
Memo to Jean-Claude: I do not think that word means what you think it means.
(if it truly is beyond J-C's conceptual abilities, that says more about Juncker's thought processes and less about the monetary system)
Posted by: Ed Minchau at June 15, 2005 08:31 PM (pPVQ0)
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Jay. Perhaps. They actually want to do away with all religion but they talk about a "single religion", whatever that means.
Posted by: John Crittenden at June 15, 2005 08:40 PM (cONYb)
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Member of opposition party in Italy says something stupid and the world is supposed to see it as proof of the collapse of the EU and the ECC? Geeze, don't jump the gun here or anything. Americans and the British don't get their hearts all aflutter everytime Jack Layton or Gilles Duceppe says or does something dumb in Canada.
(Also, correct me if i'm wrong, but i think that the Northern League is the sovreginitist /separtist party that wants to take everything North of Rome and form a new country- you know, one without those Scilans screwing everything up. yeah, that's great)
Quite frankly, pulling out of the Eurozone makes no sense. Italy does much better under a common currency as it makes trade easier and helps their economy because certain members of the currency union do more to bring it up than others. If a country that actually had a lot of economic clout (say, Germany) were to want to revive their currency, then maybe you should take notice. Unless Italy wants to "race to the bottom", which seems unlikely...
So yeah, much ado about nothing.
Posted by: Lurker at June 15, 2005 08:43 PM (BB+8Z)
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Jay. Second reply to your question. Just noticed this article in WorldNetDaily that's on point.
One-world religion on its way?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44772
It's difficult to read between the lines, but the "One-world religion" and "New World Order" he mentions are masterminded by fabulously wealthy people including those behind the UN and the Liberal Party of Canada. These people have already achieved in Canada the one thing they've been trying to accomplish in the US, that is to disarm the population. They've disarmed everyone in Canada unless you "get their written permission" to buy a firearm.
Americans will always fight this. It will be impossible to take the right to bear arms away from the Americans. It's in their genes. They will take to the streets with guns in hand and defy anyone trying. Can you imagine that ever happening in Canada. I can't. And so they start in Canada, right next door to the US. What else are they starting here?
Canada is such an easy target.
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WorldNut Daily? Weren't those the guys absolutely convinced that Y2K was going to be the end of the world?
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"Member of opposition party in Italy says something stupid and the world is supposed to see it as proof of the collapse of the EU and the ECC?"
No, the proof of the impending collapse of the EU was the French and Dutch noes to the constitution: it'll only get bumpier and more interesting from here. And what's the ECC? Years studying European politics and my time in Brussels notwithstanding, I don't recognize that acronynm.
"If a country that actually had a lot of economic clout (say, Germany) were to want to revive their currency, then maybe you should take notice."
Lurker, every poll out there shows a majority of Germans would love their marks back, and Angela Merkel (the leader of the CDU who will be the next chancellor when Schoeder goes in flames) could make herself a national hero if she even started talking about it. The Euro is already a disaster and awaits becoming a catastrophe because it was always a political rather an economic project. It takes any problems any country has and exacerbates them, because the ECB has to pursue a monetary policy that's "one-size-fits-none": too tight for recessionary economies like Germany's but too loose for inflationary ones like Ireland's.
Instead of making condescending remarks about Italy, you might want to consider that when ANYONE would hearken back to the glory days of the lira, you know something's severely wrong.
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"The Euro is already a disaster "
Hardly true. In terms of value, it is a monster - having outstripped the US dollar and, in many parts of the world being looked at as replacing the US dollar as the worlds pre-eminent currency.
From a strictly selfish point of view, I love travelling through Europe without having to exchange currencies.
Posted by: Flanstein at June 16, 2005 07:39 AM (o9Hw6)
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I meant it's a disaster for the people who have to actually live with it, and as for its "monstrous" buying power, it's egregiously overvalued. Sell it short: you don't have to buy dollars; you don't have to buy dollars, you can buy yen or sterling or Swiss francs or krone (Danish or Swedish) or whatever, because within the medium term it is simply doomed. I was predicting it would last no more than fifteen years as far back as 1996, and I still stand by that...and possibly far shorter.
Posted by: Dave J at June 16, 2005 10:05 AM (WV4/D)
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Woops. Meant to type EEC, not ECC. my bad and apologies.
As for the constitutional crisis, i'm sure you would be familar with the other supposed "death blows" dealt to the EU during the period of "Eurosciolis" in the 1980s and the squabling that it begat (the BBQ, the aborted attempts at CAP reform, etc). I recall that back then, many commentators also also were claiming the end of the EEC in cover stories and opnion columns as well.
As we now know, inspite of all the infighting, those ended in Maastritch in 1992.
Again, wait and see.
As for the Euro being overvalued, yep, you're exactly right. It is far too overvalued, but in large part that is the result of the US committment to fiscal irresponsibilty at home and their desperate attempts to keep their dollar deliberately devalued in order to remain competitive. Once the US economy recovers, the Euro will likely devalue against the American dollar and slowly climb up once again. But why bother getting rid of it? You seem to maintain that the Euro was a politically motivated project, lorded over by Neofunctionalists and Eurocrats, when most evidence seems to show that it is economically motivated and remains economically motivated (free movement of goods and currencies). I'm sure the "success" of the ECSC, the only nakedly politcally motivated manouver of functionalists and eurofederalists will stand as testiment to this statement.
Also, i must disgree with your claims that the ECB has a "one side fits none" approach. In fact, many experts have noted that the "grants, not loans" approach that the ECB takes to infrastructre development is much better than the IMF/ World Bank model that REALLY is a "one side fits none". I'm sure people in Ireland and, say, the Czech Repbulic would disagree with your claims.
In light of your claims of expertise on the EU, I'm sure you will be in aggreement with me that the biggest crisis the EU faces is not the constutional rounds and opposition parties going on about the glory days of the Lira, but agricultural reform issues facing the EU in the next round of enlargment. Yes, no?
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I would agree that CAP reform issues loom large, but would take issue with the idea that that can be separated from what's going on with the constitution. They're all interconnected. Chirac tried to deflect blame onto the UK rebate, then Blair (in a wise show of rare bacbone for him on the EU) upped the stakes by saying the British rebate becomes negotiable when France's utterly disproportionate share of EU farm subsidies becomes negotiable.
As for whether economics or politics was the main driving force behind the Euro, it was Jacques Delors' baby, and he was the quintessential "France-writ-large" Brussels Eurocrat if there ever was one, committed to the ideological "project" of "ever closer union" and whatever would bring that closer to reality. I'm sure there are plenty fo economists who really think it is all about economics, but I simply don't buy it. The EU is, as it has been from the days of Schuman and Monnet, something of a cultish secular religion: anything that doesn't fit its agenda must by definition be error, and any disagreement verges on heresy. The French and Dutch referenda show the public finally isn't going to go passively along with that anymore. And as for Ireland and the Czech Republic among others, polls in both countries show opposition skyrocketing...if they ever get to vote, of course.
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Don't forget the muted anger when France announced they were not to hold to agreed-upon inflation indexes and - my memory is wobbly - but didn't Germany also violate one of the guidelines?
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I believe Germany went past the national debt rules. The EU said "oh well". And if I recall correctly Greece plain lied about it's deficits in order to get into the EU - once they were in and the truth was found out the EU said "oh well".
The EU seems to have a lot in common with the UN.
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"The EU seems to have a lot in common with the UN."
The EU esentially IS the UN with a narrower geographic reach but more power.
Posted by: Dave J at June 19, 2005 10:25 AM (CYpG7)
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Blogsites are great. This is so much better than trying to catch all the details of a similar conversation in an elivator. Comments from those more in the know. Excellent!
73s TG
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Good news! The mob scares Canadians more than we do!
June 15 - If you find this headline shocking then you clearly haven't been paying attention:
Canadians see Bush, bin Laden as national security threats. But wait: the facts of the story are far more interesting than it first appears for reasons which, strangely enough, are not explored in the article:
TORONTO -- Canadians believe U.S. President George W. Bush is almost as great a threat to our national security as Osama bin Laden, according to a government opinion poll obtained by the National Post.
The 1,500 people contacted for the poll, conducted last February for the Department of National Defence, listed "International Organized Crime" as the top danger, with 38 per cent ranking it as a great threat to security concern and another 50 per cent listing it as moderate.
But tied for second in the poll were "U.S. Foreign Policy" and "Terrorism," with 37 per cent rating it a great risk. Just behind those worries came "Climate Change and Global Warming." (Emphasis added)
Organized crime worries Canadians, but the article doesn't touch on that but rushes over to the number 2 concern.
Experts said the results reflected a continuing "schizophrenia" in the Canadian public's attitudes towards defence -- still worried about international terrorism even three years after the Sept. 11 attacks, but also concerned about the power and aggressive policies of the Americans.
One expert (me) says that the continuing schizophrenia is manifested by an exclusive focus on the
second highest rated threat rather than the first.
The poll, by Ekos Research Associates Inc., surveyed Canadians' attitudes towards a wide range of defence, military and national security issues, part of an annual public opinion polling process by the Department of National Defence.
It was considered accurate within 2.5 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.
Most of those contacted for the poll had "great confidence" in the Canadian Forces' ability to respond to natural disasters in Canada, but only 25 per cent felt the same way about how our military would handle a terrorist attack on Canadian soil.
That's just sad. It's akin to feeling confident about the ability of the fire department to rescue a cat stuck up in a tree but not about their ability to handle fires.
The poll suggested other security concerns preying at the public's mind include "Weapons of Mass Destruction," listed as a great danger by 30 per cent of those surveyed, and "Potential Weaponization of Space," which 26 per cent of those polled found a great concern.
Health threats, such as the SARS outbreak of 2003, nuclear threats, natural disasters and countries in turmoil, such as Sudan or Haiti, were the least worrisome threats according to the poll.
Potential Weaponization of Space. Right. That is clearly of far more concern than genocide in Sudan. (Now you know why prices for tin foil have risen.)
Still, I find it odd that organized crime would rate as a higher cause of concern than U.S. foreign policy and terrorism, unless (and this is a long shot) respondents have take the "Librano" definition to heart, in which case the poll results may be more interesting than the article lets on.
14:22: Via Neale News, according to the latest Angus Reid Consultants poll, health care is the top concern of Canadians followed by poor government and leadership issues.
International issues / War / Peace are way at the bottom at 2%, tied with Unemployment, Same sex marriage and Crime / law and order.
Don't you just love polls?
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"Canadians believe U.S. President George W. Bush is almost as great a threat to our national security as Osama bin Laden..."
Of all the wildly fatuous notions in which Canadians routinely indulge themselves, this is the most pathetic. Canadians who say they believe the United States to be a prime national security threat are guilty of media-induced dementia at worst and hypocrisy at best.
If Canadians really believe that their closest neighbor and trading partner represents such a threat, then why have they allowed their government to foresake what is, in fact, the primary responsibility of all sovereign governments, that of providing for the defense of the realm?
Australia is a useful comparative case: a less populous Commonwealth country whose elephant-next-door is Islamist-infested Indonesia. The Australians can't afford to trivialize national defence or the war on terror. This reality puts the brakes on any anti-American tendencies which no doubt exist down under. The result is a small nation far more credible and effective facing the challenges of the post 9/11 world than Canada is likely to ever be.
Canadians can afford to indulge themselves endlessly with such nonsense, supremely confidently that Americans will continue to ignore Canada completely (as the irrelevance she has become) all the while knowing that the real protector and guarantor of Canada's freedom is none other than the United States of America.
The U.S. as "national security threat" to Canada? Puh-leeze!
Posted by: MSD at June 15, 2005 08:59 AM (tHqp5)
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Between Osama and Bush, there's only one I ever heard Canadians suggest be arrested should he cross the border - and it ain't the Muslim.
Posted by: Jay at June 15, 2005 10:46 AM (PuNh2)
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Good post. And I agree with MSD.
When this article came out I spent some time searching the news media for a different slant on the results. I gave up. Just as I've given up on Canadians.
It's going to take a disaster of huge proportions to wake Canadians up. Then we all know who will come and help us. The big bad Americans.
Canada has been lucky so far. That luck's not going to last.
But I agree. Maybe this poll should be analyzed a bit more. There hasn't been that much in the news lately about organized crime other than Gomery. Maybe Canadians are indeed making an unconcious connection between organized crime and the Liberal Party of Canada.
Posted by: John Crittenden at June 15, 2005 10:47 AM (cONYb)
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Well, I take it to mean Canadians are worried about Bush's actions on the world stage, and possible retribution for those actions - not, as alluded to, a direct attack. I think this is a fair assessment, regardless of your position on the Bush adminstration. The current foreign policy game is a dangerous one, and whether you are for or against recent administrations decisions in the middle east, this should be obvious. Of course, with that being saig, there is probably a tiny segment of the population who fears a direct attack, but they can be safely ignored.
Posted by: Sean at June 15, 2005 11:18 AM (QbG17)
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Sorry, Richard. I feel your pain. On the bright side, the next results may put us firmly back in the #1 spot.
Sean, I think the commenters were being facetious and knew that Canadians weren't concerned that they would be attacked by the USA! It's our way to take something silly and make it sillier.
We all get that Bush is supposed to be a bigger threat to world peace than Everyone Else including those nice N. Koreans and pious Iranian mullahs.
we were attacked several times before we finally fought back. It was a little late to worry about retaliation even before Sept. 11, much less after the Bush Doctrine was introduced.
I don't disagree that the current foreign policy is a dangerous one and have myself characterized it as risky, but screw the risk: I'm going down fighting. The worse than can happen is that they make documentaries about the Barbaric Americans for the History Channel and sing songs about our exploits.
If we succeed then the world will be far better. And if we fail, we die free. And the world will not be far better.
Posted by: Debbye at June 15, 2005 12:49 PM (Eyb5W)
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Sean, Sean, Sean. "should be obvious"??? Cute little phrase frequently used by folks who are unable to back up their positions. Who knows why Canadians loath Americans? But of course they are going to consider them(Bush) "dangerous". My fellow Canadians need something to back up their resentment and envy even as they refuse to even look at the real dangers of a corrupt government and its impact on democracy. As someone who spends considerable time on both sides of the border I am always unpleasantly surprised at the lack of knowledge of world affairs held by average Canadians and in particular their inability to understand or even attempt to understand anything but the most left wing crap they are fed by the MSM. Poor Canadians. You are such victims of your big brother to the south. Boo Hoo!! Good heavens, you are living in some sort of liberal/socialist Trudopia so, do NOT, puleeeeese let the realities of the world intrude. Canadians, it is all falling down around your ears with a "free" health system allowing people to die waiting and a virulently corrupt government selling crap to you daily through an intensely left wing MSM. The US wouldn't take your little socialist empire if you begged them (a little situation not too far off in the future, particularly in the west). Who needs more left wing nuts?. And it is the US foreign policy, backed by the American military, backed by the American taxpayer that is saving your pathetic asses. Yet you continue to whine. Congratulations.
Posted by: Duel Citz at June 15, 2005 01:12 PM (YvCwz)
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Sean, I think the commenters were being facetious and knew that Canadians weren't concerned that they would be attacked by the USA! It's our way to take something silly and make it sillier.
Debbye, I see what you're saying. Sorry if I missed that (I'm new here and still trying to grok the posters), but to me, MSD sounded forthright:
If Canadians really believe that their closest neighbor and trading partner represents such a threat, then why have they allowed their government to foresake what is, in fact, the primary responsibility of all sovereign governments, that of providing for the defense of the realm?
Duel Citz: What do I have to back up? Is it
not obvious to people that whatever the US does with regards to the middle east has serious repercussions for many? This isn't a judgement call on the current administration - or any administration for that matter but instead something I felt was, like I said, obvious.
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What we (the US) are doing in the middle east of course will have repercussions. Most things do. But as far as I can tell, so far it's been positive repercussions.
The other choice was to continue to ignore the middle east, let them continue with their terrorist ways, and face bigger problems later.
There was a possibility of major repercussions by going into WWII - minor changes in history would've resulted in the bombing (or even nuking) of (pick any city in the US or Canada). But it had to be done.
Posted by: Jay at June 15, 2005 04:06 PM (PuNh2)
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Sean, I was being forthright. It was the Canadians polled who cited the U.S. as a prime national security threat, not me. I can only guess what they really mean by that.
Even I'm reluctant to believe that Canadians are so far gone as to believe the U.S. would launch a military attack against Canada. Yet that supports my point: that Canadians don't really believe what they're saying.
So if the poll results merely reflect a disagreement with U.S. foreign policy, particularly as regards the Middle East, then it is massively hypocritical on the part of Canadians to continue to rely on the Americans to defend Canada from external attack.
If Canada has a better way, then it's about time we put our money where our mouths are. Otherwise we're just an annoying irrelevance.
Posted by: MSD at June 15, 2005 04:09 PM (tHqp5)
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Idle thought - maybe the idea of the US invading Canada is wishful thinking?
An Albertan I think once told me at another blog something like "c'mon up. I'll be by the roadside selling you guys beer and giving you directions".
Posted by: Jay at June 15, 2005 04:15 PM (PuNh2)
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Even I'm reluctant to believe that Canadians are so far gone as to believe the U.S. would launch a military attack against Canada. Yet that supports my point: that Canadians don't really believe what they're saying.
Your reluctance is justified. The article linked to, and it's all I'm going by here as I've not seen the poll, says that the second greatest threat is "U.S. Foreign Policy". Being worried about U.S. foreign policy is not tantamount to being worried about an American attack on Canadian soil.
Posted by: Sean at June 15, 2005 04:49 PM (QbG17)
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Well, we're certainly a threat to totalitarian dictatorships. Are these Canadians forseeing problems in that arena?
And given their support for American policy, Australia and Britain likewise must be seen as a major threat to Canadian security.
All in all, Y-A-W-N.
Posted by: mikem at June 15, 2005 04:50 PM (EzNXf)
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What we (the US) are doing in the middle east of course will have repercussions. Most things do. But as far as I can tell, so far it's been positive repercussions.
The other choice was to continue to ignore the middle east, let them continue with their terrorist ways, and face bigger problems later.
There was a possibility of major repercussions by going into WWII - minor changes in history would've resulted in the bombing (or even nuking) of (pick any city in the US or Canada). But it had to be done.
Posted by Jay at June 15, 2005 04:06 PM
Of course everything has repercussions. As valid or correct as one might think the American FP in the middle east is, one must also accept the possibility of retaliation on North American soil. Not that they need more reasons to hate the West. We
are dealing with irrational people who believe irrational things here.
Posted by: Sean at June 15, 2005 05:02 PM (QbG17)
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I hate polls.
Polls lean to the money that finances them. Often poll results fail to show you the exact wording of the questions.
Without seeing the question, poll results shoule be ignored.
The newspaper provides Comics, Astrology and poll results. Comics provide satire and humour.
The other two provide pure fiction. Thumbs down on polls. 73s TG
Posted by: TonyGuitar at June 20, 2005 11:41 AM (rmMzv)
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Oh, I almost forgot. I say polls are garbage, so I should be able to prove it, right? How about this.
You say polls show that along with crime and law and order, SSM is in the bottom 2% of our concearn.
If that is so, why are we engaging the House of Commons with SSM debate instead of WhistleBlower bill debate?
Why do Posts about SSM draw 40 to 70 comments?
I could suggest what one should do with polls, but best to just ignore them and keep the language clean. 73s TG
Posted by: TonyGuitar at June 20, 2005 12:01 PM (rmMzv)
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Who reads posts this far back anyway, so read Jay above 04:06. A minority opinion no doubt, but correct none the less. Complaints about no WMD and intel reports from the UK are just so much anti-Bush hot air.
Invading Kuwait and gassing whole Kurd villages is all the justification required to go in and stop a nutcase like Saddam. 73s TG
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Reclaiming Sept. 11 website
June 15 - It didn't take long for a website dedicated to reclaiming the Sept. 11 memorial on behalf of those intended to be honoured to appear. You can visit
Take Back The Memorial for the latest news on this project.
The opening statement says it all and with better restrained fury than I am capable of summoning.
It struck me that my letter(s) should properly go to the U.S. Ambassador to Canada and the U.S. Department of State.
Other ex-pats might want to consider a similar recourse.
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The future of the U.N. (updated)
June 15 - First the past:
Two E-Mails Contradict Annan on Oil-for-Food. Heh.
The June 13 NY Times previews a report from a Congressional committee on the U.N. which in its wording clarifies what the U.N. is:
In judging the United Nations and its lapses, the task force said it had focused on the responsibilities of the states making up the institution rather than just the institution itself.
"On stopping genocide," the report said, "too often 'the United Nations failed' should actually read 'members of the United Nations blocked or undermined action by the United Nations.' "
In other words, the U.N. is only as good as the members, and the majority of member countries are dictatorships.
In a foreword to the report, Mr. Gingrich and Mr. Mitchell said they were "struck by the United Nations' own receptivity to needed reforms" but added that the changes "must be real and must be undertaken promptly."
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While the report noted the damage caused by the [U.N. Oil-for-food] scandals, it stressed that one of the consequences was that the United Nations' top leadership realized the need to make fundamental changes. "Real change may now be possible without resorting to the stick of U.S. financial withholding," the report said.
In its only reference to Mr. Annan's term in office, it said that a "fundamental criterion" in selecting his successor when his term is completed at the end of 2006 should be "management capability."
The report said that the institution's current problems stemmed from the politicization and bureaucratic unwieldiness of decision-making in the General Assembly and Security Council and "absurd level of member state micromanagement" as much as they do from failures in Mr. Annan's leadership.
While crediting Mr. Annan with proposing changes, the report faulted him for lack of follow-through. "The secretary general has often put forward good-sounding reform proposals then failed to push hard against predictable resistance from staff and member states," it says.
06:10: The Opinion Journal weighs in on John Bolton's potential confirmation vote today and how the proposed reforms may be the
U.N.'s last chance.
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I disagree with the John Birch Society on everything they believe except one:
Get US out of the UN now and get the UN out of US.
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Protecting the border
June 15 -
Canada: Armed Agents Needed on U.S. Border:
While U.S. Border Patrol agents along the frontier are armed, officers of the Canada Border Services Agency are not allowed to carry firearms. They currently are instructed to call the Royal Canadian Mounted Police or local police if they run into a threat and, as officers testified before the committee, that help is often extremely slow in coming.
"The committee has reluctantly come to the conclusion that if the federal government is not willing or able to provide a constant police presence at Canada's border crossings, current border inspectors must be given the option of carrying firearms," the report says. (Emphasis added)
Ouch.
Another proposal calls for Canada to allow up to $2,000 in duty-free goods from the United States by 2010, freeing up customs agents to focus on potential threats to security rather than acting as tax collectors.
"Canada needs a system within which personnel on the crossings are border officers first and clerks second — the reverse of the current situation," the report says. "Raising personal exemptions for travelers will help border officers better direct their attention to border security rather than revenue collection." (Emphasis added)
Double ouch.
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SDA has a piece on the RCMP detachments near the border (in small SK towns) getting shut down... WTF?
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