March 31, 2005
Terri Schiavo dies
Mar. 31 -
Terri Schiavo Dies at the age of 41
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Off to that great buffet in the sky
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 31, 2005 01:48 PM (t+KkC)
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Way to go, Blackglasses. You met my expectations. I, seriously, fully expected you to poke fun at her death when it came. Calling her a "vegetable" and "hamburger" when she was dying, as you did, would certainly not be enough to satisfy you. I was just curious as to what angle your hatred would take.
Posted by: mikem at March 31, 2005 07:01 PM (EzNXf)
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Do you ever get tired of always being so preachy and boring?
Are you crying now?
You must be absolute murder at dinner parties (I'm guessing you aren't invited to very many)
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 31, 2005 08:31 PM (t+KkC)
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I get tired of having to read yet another, on top of other, hateful remarks from you directed at helpless people. How painful it must be to not have an audience that appreciates your little tantrums. Very sympathetic picture.
First you show off your 'toughness' by casually making cruel remarks about a dying, now dead woman, then you cry like a baby when I criticize you. Grow up.
Dinner Party? I can just imagine the little circle of guests at a dinner party that includes you. All standing around, drinking select wine, and... making jokes about the dead and dying. Sorry but I picture you slipping into a bedroom and stealing some crack and cash for an evening with the skinheads, not at a dinner party.
Posted by: mikem at March 31, 2005 09:00 PM (EzNXf)
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You think he's old enough for wine? Somehow I don't.
One day there'll be a school shooting and we'll find out tho. "Who did it?". "Nobody knows his name, nobody would ever talk to him but it was that dopey kid in the black glasses".
Posted by: Jay at March 31, 2005 09:24 PM (PuNh2)
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"...it was that dopey kid in the black glasses".
LOL
Nice turn of phrase.
Posted by: mikem at March 31, 2005 09:34 PM (EzNXf)
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I return to this site and see more squabbling from a patriot and a joking hipster. Do times never change?
Posted by: Rafer at March 31, 2005 10:37 PM (t+KkC)
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Mikem, is there a reason you're engaging with this twit?
Blog Commenting 101: Do Not Feed The Trolls.
Posted by: Damian at March 31, 2005 11:57 PM (d7P8h)
Posted by: mikem at March 31, 2005 11:59 PM (EzNXf)
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I am so proud to expose to the world what a bigot you are, mikem. Everytime you say 'Canadian' you show to the world who you really are... You must have learned that when you were defending hawaii from the vietcong.
Also, I find it hilarious that I've managed to engage a 60 year old veteran in the most childish flame war known to man.
I think we know who the smart one is here.
"Victory is best served like a fine scotch appreciated by the highest of society with their black glasses in tow."
- Winston Churchill
Posted by: blackglasses at April 01, 2005 12:43 AM (t+KkC)
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"One day there'll be a school shooting and we'll find out tho. "Who did it?". "Nobody knows his name, nobody would ever talk to him but it was that dopey kid in the black glasses".
-Jay
I think that is the appropriate reference.
Posted by: mikem at April 01, 2005 01:01 AM (EzNXf)
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"One day there'll be a school shooting and we'll find out tho. "Who did it?". "Nobody knows his name, nobody would ever talk to him but it was that dopey kid in the black glasses".
"School Shootings are so September 10th. In fact, "So September 10th' is so so Spetember 10th, which is also so September 10th. Also, I am drunk as a Pope*'
- Winston Chruchill
Response: OFF MEDS AGAIN.LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOL
* This is a real expression. Awesome.
Posted by: Blackglasses at April 01, 2005 02:04 AM (t+KkC)
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Blackglasses has been banned, and I apologize to everyone for allowing Blackglasses the freedom to comment on this site for as long as I did.
I mean that sincerely. I was naive to believe that he would have his fun and move on, and should have intervened earlier.
I would like everyone to know that Mike wrote me some time ago to let me know that if I had a problem with him taking on some of the trolls that he would back off.
I told him that, on the contrary, I was very grateful that he had shown up because he was taking a gigantic burden off my shoulders.
Mike, thank you for helping me out, and thanks to the rest of you for your gentle hints that I needed to deal with the BG troll effectively.
Now I'll have to get used to checking the comments without gritting my teeth. I think I can manage that!
Posted by: Debbye at April 01, 2005 07:17 AM (I0F6J)
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Blackglasses,
You might have more credibility if it weren't for the unmitigated joy you express when other human beings suffer.
Posted by: Flanstein at April 01, 2005 11:16 AM (IbVZV)
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Sorry, Flanstein, I deleted BG's parting comment before it occurred to me that your comment would look downright odd to subsequent readers.
Ahem. How about those, er, Jays and/or Raptors?
Posted by: Debbye at April 01, 2005 01:31 PM (AOKQg)
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I can't speak for all of us but I'm fine - no idea about those Raptor guys.
Posted by: Jay at April 01, 2005 02:54 PM (PuNh2)
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I actually found Blackglasses' comments to be quite amusing. In a harmless listen-to-that-teenage-baseball-fan-second-guessing-the-manager kinda way.
Posted by: Tuning Spork at April 01, 2005 10:46 PM (ZTSbg)
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For me it was annoying - not what he said, but the way I ended up checking who a poster was before reading the comment (and skipping if needed).
Posted by: Jay at April 01, 2005 11:00 PM (PuNh2)
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Tuning Spork: With respect from someone who also has an appreciation of outrageousness, you are dead wrong on Blackglasses. I don't want to dog him badly since he is now banned and cannot respond, but he was not at all like second guessing the manager. It was more like calling the umpire's wife a whore and kicking the kid in the wheelchair.
For me personally, BG falsely attributed quotes to me, falsely claimed that I sent an anti-Semitic email to him and regularly made gravely hateful remarks about the most sympathetic, usually helpless people in the news. It was pure nasty trolling and he was proud of it and dared (literally) Debbye to ban him. I have no sympathy for him. And I am not a fan of banning, having been banned myself for arguing too persistently against banning someone else at another website.
It would have been nice to have someone with BG's energy (he had that) to spar with on issues but he just wanted to drive commenters away by abusing them and making any comment an invitation to troll hell.
Obviously I am not a fan, but for me his only 'positive' effect on commenting here was that he was a good posterboy when I wanted to poke fun at Canadians. And that was not fair to Canadians.
Posted by: mikem at April 02, 2005 12:03 AM (EzNXf)
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mikem,
Oh yeah, I forgot about all of that falsely attributed stuff. I stand corrected.
Posted by: Tuning Spork at April 02, 2005 01:57 PM (xbU4Y)
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States respond to Schiavo issues
Mar. 31 - From the
NY Times,
States are taking a new look at end-of-life legislation (alternate and longer-life link from the
UPI-Washington Times article on the same subject
here if you don't want to register with the
NYT.)
Some legislative proposals are drawn straight from the battle between Terri Schiavo's parents and her husband. Among them is the Alabama Starvation and Dehydration Prevention Act, which would forbid the removal of a feeding tube without express written instructions from the patient. And a legislator in Michigan is writing a bill that would bar adulterers from making decisions for an incapacitated spouse.
In other cases, state lawmakers want to make living wills more widely available or simply to clarify the laws that govern the fate of someone in Ms. Schiavo's position. She left no written instructions.
New end-of-life legislation has been introduced in at least 10 states. ..
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In Michigan, Representative Joel Sheltrown, the author of a proposal to strip people who are having extramarital affairs of their right to make decisions for an incapacitated spouse, is a Democrat, meaning he may have an uphill battle in the Republican-dominated Legislature.
But Mr. Sheltrown was not the only one to entertain such a notion. Last week Ken Connor, a legal adviser to Governor Bush on the Schiavo case, said Florida should have such a law. Opponents of Ms. Schiavo's husband, Michael Schiavo, say he should not be allowed to make medical decisions for his wife because he is living with another woman.
Other bills seek to draw a line between a feeding tube and other life-sustaining measures. In Louisiana and Alabama, Republicans have introduced bills that would assume, in the absence of a written directive, that a patient wanted food and water. In Louisiana, the bill would require that a feeding tube remain in place until any litigation over its removal was resolved. In Alabama, Representative Dick Brewbaker, the bill's Republican sponsor, said he would probably make the law apply only in the event of a family dispute.
And so the process to fix the process begins.
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From euthanasia to ... where?
Mar. 31 - While Americans struggle with hearts and minds over the many issues that have been brought to the fore during her parents' fight to save their daughter, Terri Schiavo, the Dutch are now contemplating what should be done when doctors decide it's best to
kill infants, the mentally handicapped or the demented. From
AP:
THE DUTCH government, first to legalize euthanasia for terminally ill people, will tackle an even thornier ethical dilemma: What to do when doctors say it's best to end the lives of infants, the mentally handicapped or the demented. The Royal Dutch Medical Association says guidelines and a panel of experts should be created to vet such cases. Doctors acting with the families' permission would not be punished for administering lethal sedatives to "people with no free will" in cases that pass review.
Under current law, euthanasia is restricted to terminal patients suffering unbearable pain with no hope of improvement and who, when they are still of sound mind, request to die.
I began this post over 45 minutes ago and I'm still groping for words. This has just got to be some kind of twisted joke. Real people, the kind who can walk upright and string words together to form coherent sentences, could not be contemplating such barbarity.
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Damn Dutch.
Just as bad as the Belgians.
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 31, 2005 10:42 AM (t+KkC)
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The Dutch initially countered the resultant publicity by falsely stating that it is only done with the family's permission. But Dutch officials later admitted that, in fact, a doctor can overrule a family's decision when the family does not reach the right conclusion due to emotional involvement.
It appears that the Dutch have learned little from their shameful collaboration with the Nazis.
Posted by: mikem at March 31, 2005 07:09 PM (EzNXf)
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There's no one else on this website but me and this tool, right?
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 31, 2005 08:32 PM (t+KkC)
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"in fact, a doctor can overrule a family's decision when the family does not reach the right conclusion due to emotional involvement"
Translation: If they disagree with what Doctor Mengele wants to do. IOW, a family has no say - they are asked then ignored.
Posted by: Jay at April 01, 2005 04:24 AM (PuNh2)
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Maybe the problem lies in the unquestioning faith we are expected to invest in experts and spec*ialists, or perhaps it's that they have have come to believe in their own infallibility.
Or the issue may be even more fundamental: we are living too long, health care is too expensive, and when the state assumes the financial burden they try to find ways to cut corners, as it were.
Posted by: Debbye at April 01, 2005 08:15 AM (I0F6J)
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With this kind of thinking,I'm not sure if my Dad and most of his peer group actually cleaned out all the baddies some 60 odd years ago.Sounds like some remnant of them stayed around to fester.
Posted by: big al at April 01, 2005 10:49 AM (SO/54)
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I don't think going after individuals would have done any long term good, there's just a lot of things weird about the way europeans think. Maybe there's something in the water.
Posted by: Jay at April 01, 2005 02:58 PM (PuNh2)
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Or the issue may be even more fundamental: we are living too long, health care is too expensive, and when the state assumes the financial burden they try to find ways to cut corners, as it were.
I think that's closest to the truth. I mean, why even begin to ask if the retarded should be euthanised (such a harmless, pretty word) if they are not seen, first, as a burden? Does someone with Downs Syndrome feel pain? Are they in agony? Of course not. The only way this debate even BEGINS is if the society considers them to be worthless and, thus, disposable.
"Euthanasia: Putting them out our misery since 2005"
--new European Medical Association slogan
Posted by: Tuning Spork at April 01, 2005 10:58 PM (ZTSbg)
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I absolutely support a right to die. I think it is just cruel to expect someone to live with untreatable pain or what they reasonably think is an undignified existence if they can clearly state their wish to die. It is the basic individual right.
But when the state, or the state's experts start deciding for me or for Tuning Spork's Down Child example or (cringe) for his parents then it scares the hell out of me. I was stunned when I read what the Dutch were up to. I can only hope that this was something under the Dutch population's radar and not something that has been debated and accepted. From what I understand of the deception involved it appears that this is not a popular or well known policy.
"Euthanasia: Putting them out our misery..."
Sounds right on the money.
Posted by: mikem at April 02, 2005 12:30 AM (EzNXf)
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Of course, that should read
"Putting them out OF our misery". But that was understood, I think. I hate when leave words out.
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March 30, 2005
Don't mess with Ann
Mar. 30 - Not
entirely a surprise:
Ann Coulter causes stir at KU although the headline is misleading - usually, it's the hecklers who are said to cause the stir.
Or maybe they didn't approve of her solution:
"Could 10 of the largest College Republicans start walking up and down the aisles and start removing anyone shouting?" Coulter asked.
(Link via
Drudge Report.)
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She should have thrust her fist-sized AdamÂ’s apple at them. That would have created quite a stir.
Also: Ann Coulter is not a real person. I have it on good authority that she's a project undertaken by a vegan art collective. The real life "Ann Coulter" was a previously unemployed car show model who joined the collective and gives voice to their "opinions". (her columns are written by a gender-queer couple and an Inuit working in tandem throughout the night)
"Ann Coulter" is a neo-Dadaist attempt to destroy political discourse in the United States by having Ann become more and more unhinged and see how many of you suckers still buy it.
It's brilliant political humor once you get the joke.
Too bad none of you nuts do.
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 30, 2005 04:47 PM (t+KkC)
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You have a real problem with gays, don't you, Blackglasses? I noticed that you have used the Adams apple remark several times. I guess you became frustrated that others did not congratulate you on your Canadian attempt at humor and decided to just come right out with the "queer" remark. Between your homoerotic descriptions of other commenters and your frequent citing of homosexuals of both genders, it is obvious that you are a self-hater.
Your emotions are fully validated.
Posted by: mikem at March 30, 2005 06:02 PM (EzNXf)
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Big Macs are tasty.
So is lowering the discourse into childish name calling.
I win
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 30, 2005 06:49 PM (t+KkC)
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"So is lowering the discourse into childish name calling."
You are delightfully clueless. If you were a child we would all be remarking on how cute your lack of awareness is, but as an adult it is just sad.
Posted by: mikem at March 30, 2005 07:10 PM (EzNXf)
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I am amazed that anyone would pay Ann Coulter $25,000 for a lecture that was supposed to be "funny".
I saw her in a CBC interview and she was beligerent and mean spirited. I hope the CBC did not pay her that amount, because the money could have been much better applied elsewhere where it could have done some good.
Besides, you could get a whole group of better commedians at Yuk Yuk's to perform all evening for perhaps $4,000 or $5,000 and that would have included free beer for the House.
And what is Ann Coulter's actual point? Well, she thinks that Ted Kennedy is overweight and that its funny to make fun of him.
No wonder so many people who have seen her have dismissed her as a stupid bitch. And indeed, from the looks of it, not a very rich, silly bitch.
Posted by: Joe Green at March 30, 2005 08:10 PM (5dXW9)
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Meanwhile Joe Green is hilarious and he's doing it for free!
Posted by: TimR at March 30, 2005 10:00 PM (rr+yX)
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"You are delightfully clueless. If you were a child we would all be remarking on how cute your lack of awareness is, but as an adult it is just sad.
Posted by mikem"
Hmm...You are delightfully clueless. If you were a child we would all be remarking on how cute your lack of awareness is, but as an adult it is just sad.
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 30, 2005 10:12 PM (t+KkC)
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Well, Joe, at least we now know what is lacking in your life.
After a great deal of mental strain and consideration of Ann Coulter's writings, the best that the 'tolerant' Canadian can come up with is that she "is a stupid bitch" and "not a very rich, silly bitch".
Why is it so difficult to find a male Canadian who can state a criticism about a woman without regressing to Neanderthal misogyny?
With Blackglasses' remarks in another thread about "queers" and "Ann Coulter's Adams apple", maybe we should give up on expecting any sort of civilized discussion from such a backward people
Posted by: mikem at March 30, 2005 10:25 PM (EzNXf)
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There is another brilliant Canadian on the loose: Blackglasses, showing off how he can repeat what an American says. And he's only 23 years old!
A few more years and Canadians will graduate to "I know you are but what am I?" and "I'm rubber, you're glue..."
Posted by: mikem at March 30, 2005 10:37 PM (EzNXf)
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Round the clock updates and obsessive checking brought to you today by mikem!
PS: did i upset you when i made fun of Annie?
I know that her main selling point is that she is supposed to be "sexy" and "stunning"- after all, she says abosoultely nothing worth repeating, except as an elaborate joke-but seriously she's not that attractive. And since she makes fun of appearences, then it is fair game to do the same.
Look at those freakish legs, those simian-like hands and monsterous face (as well as Adam's apple).
Ew.
Sorry for runing your elaboarte fanatsy involving Ann, fishnet stockings, a pile of bricks and a copy of the NSS 2002 infront of a roaring fire.
* Please attack this part and this part only. Thank you.
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 30, 2005 11:39 PM (t+KkC)
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"Sorry for runing [sic] your elaboarte [sic] fanatsy [sic] involving Ann,..."
You spelled five out eight words correctly, Blackglasses. Good Boy!
Canada, just showing off. Visit us tooday!
Posted by: mikem at March 31, 2005 12:04 AM (EzNXf)
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Awesome.
Can i post my essays here and have you speel check them? I mean, that's all you do now.
(PS: I can't wait for your overly emotive, insincere and, quite frankly, hilarious posts today once begin jerking off to FOX and its 24 hour feed)
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 31, 2005 10:43 AM (t+KkC)
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It bodes well for your self esteem that you take pride in laziness and ignorance.
Posted by: mikem at March 31, 2005 11:27 AM (EzNXf)
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 31, 2005 12:47 PM (t+KkC)
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"last word. I win"
That standard of excellence explains a lot about the dearth of intelligent comment from our Canadian neighbors. Simple goals please simple minds.
Posted by: mikem at March 31, 2005 01:51 PM (EzNXf)
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That standard of excellence explains a lot about the dearth of intelligent comment from our American neighbors. Simple goals please simple minds- as well as FOX News.
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 31, 2005 05:18 PM (t+KkC)
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Nice comeback, by your standards I guess. I'm always impressed when my grandchildren reach the age where they can imitate and mimic others. As aggravating as it is, it is somewhat cute. Of course, in America we outgrow that stage within a few months. In Canada it seems to be a lifetime survival mechanism.
Posted by: mikem at March 31, 2005 06:37 PM (EzNXf)
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new angle? old immature man participating in a childish flame war.
That's sadder than you defending Hawaii from the Vietcong.
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 31, 2005 08:33 PM (t+KkC)
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I never said I fought the Vietcong. Is that yet another false accusation you are making?
Do you realize how pathetic it sounds for someone who has never served to be accusing someone who has of cowardice for not having served in a combat zone?
You wouldn't make it three days in the service. You would get caught stealing from your buddy and then you would cry at how unfair it was that you were caught.
Posted by: mikem at March 31, 2005 09:11 PM (EzNXf)
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"Charlie's overruning the bar!!! CALL IN AIR SUPPORT!"
Posted by: Blackglasses at April 01, 2005 02:05 AM (t+KkC)
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Air support is here, and I'm bombing your ass off this site, Blackglasses.
Posted by: Debbye at April 01, 2005 08:17 AM (I0F6J)
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Mike, why all the anti-Canadian comments? Childish anti-american drivel from Blackglasses and Joe Green shouldn't give you a carte blanche to insult the rest of us.
Posted by: Dougm at April 01, 2005 10:46 AM (XlMBl)
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Fair enough, Dougm. I would have the same reaction as you. But you are seeing things several months into a constant drumbeat of what I view as ridiculous smug generalizations and self serving stereotypes about Americans and America. Some of my anti-Canadian remarks, and I think that is a fair description, are directed at Canadian policy and actions, but many are simply meant to get someone Canadian to disown hateful (and I mean hateful, not just sharp) comments by another Canadian. Except for very recently, that has not happened.
I think you have a valid point, from your perspective.
Posted by: mikem at April 01, 2005 01:24 PM (EzNXf)
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Kassem Daher charged as money raiser for al Qaeda
Mar. 30 - An former Edmonton man,
Kassem Daher, was named as a money-raiser for al Qaeda and is believed to have operated movie theatres towards that end.
Daher hasn't resided in Edmonton since 1998.
In 2000, he was arrested in Lebanon after a shootout between police and alleged terrorists. After his arrest, Daher's relatives denied he was ever involved in terrorism and urged the Canadian government to intervene on his behalf. He was never formally charged with a crime in Lebanon or Canada and has been free on bail for the past year, Barbara Campion, a spokeswoman for CSIS (Canadian Security Intelligence Service) told CanWest News Service on Tuesday.
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Earlier this week, the U.S. Attorney's Office in Miami released a 14-page affidavit sworn out by FBI agent John T. Kavanaugh detailing what he described as the "Jayyousi-Daher-Hassoun North American Support Network" for Islamic terror.
"The investigation of Jayyousi, Daher (and) Hassoun began in late 1993 and revealed that they had formed a network across North America to fundraise for and recruit mujahedeen to train and fight in various jihad areas including but not limited to Bosnia, Kosovo, Chechnya, and Somalia," the affidavit states.
"During the times relevant to this investigation, Daher resided in Leduc, Canada."
FBI surveillance teams recorded numerous conversations between the three men and others involved in the network, including onetime leader Mohamed Zaky, who died in 1995 fighting in Chechnya.
The tapes are said to have Daher describing his money-laundering, and one 1995 tape involves a conversation between two of the men in which they discussed their efforts to raise money to move "jihadist soldiers between Algeria, Egypt, Somalia, and Eritrea." They also expressed their wish they could raise enough money to send soldiers to Chechnya.:
"Daher and Jayyousi also discussed setting up a for-profit business in order to fund jihad," the affidavit states. "Daher then mentioned his organization, the Canadian Islamic Association, which he described as a 'cover, I mean it's very good.' "
Jayyousi is in U.S. federal custody in Detroit and was scheduled to appear in court today. Daher is believed to still be in Lebanon.
I ran a google to find the Canadian Islamic Association and found that it is a registered organization, has a business license in Leduc (among other places,) and was cited in an item at the Canadian Newspaper Association web site: Muslim chastizes Canadian media for erroneous coverage of Islam and terrorism.
(Link via Neale News.)
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MPs must learn about the sex trade abroad
Mar. 30 - Five upstanding, hardworking Members of Parliament plan to spend $200,000 visiting brothels in Europe and the USA.
Don't worry, it's legit. Really. The MPs are members of a federal committee that is reviewing prostitution laws (some people, including sex workers, believe the trade should be legal and taxed.)
An MPP (member of provincial parliament) made the federal MPs a counter offer: MPP Peter Kormos (NDP) [said] "We're talking about five federal members on a junket touring European whorehouses at a cost of $40,000 each," Kormos said yesterday. "I can take anyone of them down to Bridge St. in Niagara Falls and get them laid for less than $50."
Give up the glories of "Britain, the Netherlands, Sweden and Nevada" for a weekend trip to Niagara Falls? Save the taxpayers the unnecessary expense of travel abroad when the "research" could be done in our own backyard?
Calgary Sun columnist Rick Bell does a nice bit of commentary on this in Merry mission. As he says, "For once, call it what it is. The $200,000 sin city soiree, the vice-is-nice world tour, one jolly junket."
He also has some questions about other aspects of the spending:
The cash to cruise goes to five MPs and three staff for transportation, hotel, food and ... I hate this word ... miscellaneous. In this case, miscellaneous means money for interpreters, gifts and fees. Gifts and fees? Are there going to be receipts?
It's almost a relief to be able to laugh at them again ... does all this indicate that elected officials believe they're in office for a
good time, not a long time?
Apr. 12 - The trip may be off.
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"MPP Peter Kormos (NDP) [said] "We're talking about five federal members on a junket touring European whorehouses at a cost of $40,000 each," Kormos said yesterday. "I can take anyone of them down to Bridge St. in Niagara Falls and get them laid for less than $50."
Yes, that sounds like vintage Peter Kormos. Bob Rae's best line ever concerned giving Kormos a cabinet position early in Rae's term. He quoted President Johnson as saying in a similar situation that he would rather have a certain person inside the tent pissing out rather than outside the tent and pissing in. Rae also added that with Kormos he got someone inside the tent pissing in. Kormos didn't last long in cabinet.
Posted by: John B at March 30, 2005 05:07 PM (ju7Wp)
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I'm actually agreeing with something a NDPer said,amazing.
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Tuning Spork answers Neal Boortz
Mar. 30 -
Tuning Spork made a wonderfully terse comment on an earlier post that summed up the base line in the Terri Schiavo case:
At some point we gotta, finally, ask ourselves if the value of life is worth the value of a Life.
Tuning Spork rips apart Neal Boortz's weird column on why Terri Schiavo should be allowed to die. (Did I say weird? It was beyond weird, and read more as though Boortz drew the short straw when they were divvying up debate positions in journalism class.)
Tuning Spork answers Boortz as perhaps only a sometimes-agnostic sometimes-atheist can do in by looking at science, not metaphysics, and uses logic rather than New Age out-of-body experiences.
He also uses some more excellently blunt language:
What we are forgetting about here is that God instructs us on how to live. This is IT, folks. This is the Test. This is the time. This is who we are. Right frickin' NOW!
Exactly. Exactly.
The ongoing debate really isn't about religion, scriptural verses, or anything other than Who.We.Are, and if we have retained sufficient humility to know that we don't know the answers to everything, and therefore, as there is doubt, chose to do no harm.
It wasn't that long ago that liberals were arguing cases for the mentally and physically handicapped and urging that every effort should be made to try to teach and provide therapy that would allow them to experience the fullest lives of which they were capable despite their disabilities.
Or maybe I am one of the few who remembers the advocacy for newborns who were diagnosed with Down's Syndrome and had been allowed to die by withholding nourishment.
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When the law doesn't foresee a situation happening, the best you can do is to modify the law for the next time.
By the law as it stands, the feeding tube was specifically considered "life support". Also by the law, the only option was to remove life support, even though it meant a prolonged period before the body ceased to function.
Terri Schiavo is the proverbial 'wrong place at the wrong time' victim. Hopefully, there will be debate and wisdom applied to adjust the applicable laws to keep this whole circus from happening again.
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There you go again, being all reasonable and rational!
Seriously, when you're right, you're right Ted, yet there's a stubborness in me that keeps hoping she can be saved. There has to be a first, right?
As you predict, the laws in many states will be re-examined and probably changed. We learn more by our errors than our successes.
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I agree with Ted 100%, too. I was saving that for my requiem post. I'm actually very relieved that Jeb Bush didn't break the law to save Terri.
"Wrong place at the wrong time". Precisely. All I know, for sure, of what I'll write after Terri dies is the first line: "I love America." Reminds me of
The Godfather.
Posted by: Tuning Spork at March 30, 2005 09:08 PM (GIVbO)
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Some state legislatures are already looking at legislation in response to the case:
Schiavo has states studying rights bills
edited to add NY Times link on the same story here.
That's our system: discuss, debate, write letters and/or blogs, push for change, and keep on keeping the pressure on until changes (or, more often, compromises) are made.
That's why I too love America, warts and all. We ain't pretty but we hang in and get it done.
Posted by: Debbye at March 31, 2005 08:54 AM (CyDjY)
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Blogs are a joke.
You know it.
Bunch of self-important & underemployed egotists.
Once this fad dies out (and it is a fad- you know as well as i do that Americans have super short attention spans) I can't wait for all the soul-searching essays on "HOW BLOGS FAILED US"
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 31, 2005 10:47 AM (t+KkC)
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Blackglasses:
Could you provide some back up for your assertions instead of sounding like Major Hofsteder from Hogan's Heros.
Posted by: Richard Cook at March 31, 2005 11:37 AM (Km34P)
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Richard, don't feed the troll.
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Volcker Interim Report Pt. 2 (updated)
Mar. 30 - The second part of the Volcker Interim Report (on the U.N. Oil-for-Food scandal) is available in .pdf
here.
Note: I was unable to view ithe document until I updated my version of Adobe Acrobat. If you're having problems, try googling "Adobe Acrobat + [insert your OS]" to find a link that will upgrade properly.
Link via Roger L. Simon, who comments on the report here and on some pre-report information here and here (although I doubt I need tell anyone who has followed this scandal to read Roger!)
14:25 - The Montreal Gazette thinks that the Volcker Interim Report did not clear Kofi Annan of wrongdoing but left it up to the public to connect the dots themselves. Oh, those shredded documents ...
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Mohamed Harkat
Mar. 29 - Mohamed Harkat, an Ottawa resident, faces deportation to Algeria after a
federal judge ruled that he was a terrorist on March 22 and poses a threat to national security:
Judge Eleanor Dawson ruled that two federal cabinet ministers made a reasonable decision in December 2002 when they concluded that Mr. Harkat was a member of al-Qaeda, the world's foremost terrorist organization.
And she flatly dismissed Mr. Harkat's sworn testimony, during which he denied any connection to terrorism or the al-Qaeda network, as the work of a liar.
There is credible, reliable information from a number of independent sources, including the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), that contradicts Mr. Harkat's evidence, the judge said.
"On the basis of the confidential information," she said, "it is clear and beyond doubt that Mr. Harkat lied under oath to the court in several important respects."
The judge is not required to divulge the confidential information that led to her decision, but she reportedly said that
... she did not rely on the evidence of Mr. Zubayda, who was thought by Mr. Harkat's defence team to be a linchpin in the government's case.
There are allegations that Zubayda was tortured by the U.S. military to obtain information.
Judge Dawson said she could not rely upon Mr. Zubayda's evidence because she was not told exactly what he said or the circumstances under which he identified Mr. Harkat.
Mr. Zubayda had been the only informant identified by the court as giving credible evidence against Mr. Harkat.
As a result, the defence team spent considerable time trying to establish that Mr. Zubayda had been tortured into giving that evidence.
Mr. Copeland said the experience highlights the "impossibility" of defending someone against a security certificate: "In these cases, you have no idea of the case you have to meet, and you have no idea of how to meet it.
"It is a process that is unfair and violates fundamental justice. But the courts don't seem to agree with me on that issue."
Indeed, Judge Dawson defended the process in her decision, arguing that it is constitutionally sound and offers fundamental justice to foreign citizens accused of terrorism.
The judge concluded there were reasonable grounds to find Mr. Harkat is a member of al-Qaeda who has repeatedly lied to Canadian officials about his terrorist links.
Mr. Harkat came to Canada in 1995 after five years in Pakistan, during which time he said he worked as a warehouse manager for the Muslim World League.
But Judge Dawson said there's reasonable grounds to believe Mr. Harkat travelled to Afghanistan during the early 1990s and developed an association with Mr. Zubayda, who ran two al-Qaeda training camps.
Harkat also was allegedly associated with Ahmed Khadr:
The judge found that Mr. Harkat was also unbelievable when he described his relationship with Ahmed Said Khadr, a known associate of Osama bin Laden's who was once the ranking al-Qaeda member in Canada. (Mr. Khadr was killed in the fall of 2003 during a gun battle with Pakistani forces after fleeing Afghanistan.)
Mr. Harkat admitted on the witness stand that he met Mr. Khadr in Ottawa and travelled with him to Toronto by car. Mr. Harkat claims he met Mr. Khadr through his roommate, Mohamed El Barseigy, and that he did not converse at length with him during a five-hour ride to Toronto.
Judge Dawson concluded that testimony was "inherently implausible and incredible."
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Judge Dawson's decision on the reasonableness of the security certificate cannot be appealed to a higher court.
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Increase of Predator fleet
Mar. 29 - One of my favourite tools in our arsenal is a Predator armed with a Hellfire missile. It has the elegance of hitting them when they least expect it, and the tactical advantage of making them feel (rightly) vulnerable - by the time you see it, it's too late.
I am pleased that there are plans to increase the fleet which Murdoc has covered here and he also provides the link to a video of a Predator firing a hellfire missile.
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If you're interested in drone aircraft, I encourage you to look up the X-45 and X-47 UCAV prototypes, currently under testing. I got a chance to check out the first X-45 prototype once during my Boeing days - it was a little thing, landed updside-down, but it and its follow-ons will probably change air combat forever.
www.darpa.mil/ucav/ should be an okay place to start.
Posted by: SparcVark at March 29, 2005 05:45 PM (X7hb0)
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"Our Arsenal"?
Do you personally own it, or is this just stupid nationalism rearing its ugly head?
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 29, 2005 07:29 PM (t+KkC)
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Geez, that's not even quality trolling. Put at least a tiny amount of effort into it.
Posted by: Jay at March 29, 2005 09:28 PM (PuNh2)
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I'm so sorry.
Would you like me to talk about how you all jerk off to Tom Clancy novels?
Yes?
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 29, 2005 10:42 PM (t+KkC)
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So, I'm curious. Why exactly *do* you bother with comments, Debbye?
Posted by: SparcVark at March 30, 2005 10:31 AM (X7hb0)
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SparcVark - I don't know!
(I'm not sure if it was a serious or rhetorical question but I'll try to answer. Ignore and move alone if it was rhetorical.)
In no particular order: because it keeps me honest, I gain new insights, I pick up links and new blogs, and probably I think there's a lot of people who see that the world is going through momentous changes and they want to be part of trying to make some sense of it.
It's also a bit of a free speech issue. I could ban some of them, but shutting someone down rarely shuts them up. (I do step in when someone makes racist or homophobic remarks, though.)
BTW, the link you posted above on more info about the prototypes for the Predator doesn't work. I'll try later in case the site is temporarily down (due, no doubt, to the vast numbers of people trying to log onto it from here ...)
Posted by: Debbye at March 30, 2005 12:14 PM (a3FvC)
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Link just worked for me.
Posted by: Jay at March 30, 2005 12:55 PM (PuNh2)
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Well, the Boeing X-45 page is at
http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/x-45/flash.html
for the interested.
The X-45 and x-47 aren't Predator prototypes strictly speaking. The Predator was a reconnaissance drone that was retrofitted to carry a missile, whereas the new UCAV models are purpose-built attack aircraft. No unmanned fighters have been built as of yet, but I'd expect them once people start seeing the bills for the F-22 program.
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The link worked for me- i can confirm this, because like the rest of you war porners, i just had some "alone time" with a picture of the X-45 and x-47.
Yessssssssssss.
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 30, 2005 10:13 PM (t+KkC)
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Blackglasses, you're done here.
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Bush, Fox and Martin met (and accomplished nothing)
Mar. 29 - I probably should have commented on the the meeting between PM Paul Martin, Pres. Bush and Pres. Fox but I was too irritated that the press up here kept calling them
The Three Amigos (doesn't anyone up here speak enough Spanish to know that
amigos means friends?) (and yes, I saw the stupid movie) and it wasn't as though it was more than a meeting for public consumption, the "We are family" kind of public appearance in which the press up here imagines Important Stuff is going on and the rest of us are wondering if Presidents Fox and Bush managed to reach some understanding about the growing numbers of
illegal immigrants undocumented workers that are coming into the U.S. from Mexico.
But there was some interesting commentary too. Greg Weston in Smiling Texans, glum Canucks notes too that nothing really happened at the meeting between Bush and Martin.
I agree with that assessment, unless "more of the same" counts. Measures for Establishing North American Security since Sept. 11 have been announced after every meeting between Canada and the USA and will likely continue to be announced after every future meeting. The press keeps reporting on that as though it's really news, so either they are dumb enough to actually believe it this time or they haven't noticed yet that the it's the same, tired press release. (I guess that also translates to being dumb. Whatever.)
Back to the meeting. There are actually real outstanding issues between Canada and the USA involving (what else?) trade. For those keeping score:
Soft wood lumber - no resolution.
The cow thing - no resolution.
Lunch - BBQ or Thai?
Douglas Fisher thinks Canada should be more curious about George but I suspect his advice is falling on deaf ears (if that's what you call people who have their fingers stuck firmly in their ears.)
Bob MacDonald's column notes that Martin actually stepped foot on the ranch, something Chretien never accomplished, and received a gift from the President - a pair of cowboy boots. (Make your own joke. I'm not touching it - besides, my heart is set on a pair like Condi's. Mmm.)
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"Fox but I was too irritated that the press up here kept calling them The Three Amigos "
You anti-Canadianism is showing through again. In fact, the term was coined by a CNN talking head and used repeatedly on all the American networks.
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Sorry, Flanstein, I didn't mean it as an anti-Canadianism. I am very anti-
Toronto Star, the
Globe and Mail, and sometimes even the
Toronto Sun, but I don't judge Canadians by the content of their media, and I hope people have too much sense to judge Americans by the content of
their media.
If you say that CNN first used it then I believe you, but it doesn't change my opinion that it's a stupid phrase which signifies nothing and was used far too often.
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Army deserters in Canada
Mar. 29 -
Cliff Cornell is an army deserter who is now a peace volunteer and one of 8 deserters all of whom want to stay in Canada.
From Mar. 25, Jeremy Hinzman will appeal the refugee board decision which denied him asylum status (Dodger insists: I'll stay) yet as the headline indicates, there is a persistent attempt to evoke the Vietnam era by terming him a dodger - he is not a draft dodger but a deserter, having voluntarily joined the US Army and even served in Afghanistan.
Supporters of Hinzman claim the decision was pro-war advancing the notion again that it was "illegal" and "Bush's war," despite the fact that it was approved by Congress.
Bill O'Reilly had it wrong, by the way, when he talked about the case. The decision by the appeal board had little to do with concerns over U.S.-Canada relations and more to do with the large number of claimants seeking asylum that arrive in Canada each year and a population that has grown increasingly suspicious of the process due to a large number of bogus claimants. Hinzman's assertion that he would be harshly punished pales in comparison to the real dangers people face were they to be returned to their native lands and indicated his real contempt for genuine asylum seekers who don't face jail but face torture and death.
Refugee claimants are already viewed with cynicism. Hinzman may well have hoped to capitalize on anti-American sentiment but had the refugee board granted his request it would have set a precedent for granting asylum on political bases rather than humanitarian and would have further undercut the credibility of the board.
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He's ba-a-a-ck
Mar. 29 - I'm referring to the King of Snark,
Paul, who has some new posts up. My favourite (because I love it when Paul gets
nasty satirical) is
This Week in Revisionist History in which Paul notes a number of measures that seem to defraud history, much as air-brushing the cigarette from Satre's lips has done. For example, he wonders about the sudden urge to remove a statue of Franco in Spain:
Don't get me wrong, I can understand when statues are toppled by people during revolutions, and I'm all for that, but when the people can't be bothered to go out and destroy the bloody thing themselves, I find these arbitrary governmental decisions peculiar, especially when, like in this case, it's so long after the man's death, and calling the statue a "symbol of division" seems like a rather flimsy excuse (not to mention that, considering Zapatero's core beliefs, it seems like nothing but a settling of scores with someone who can't fight back; if Franco was alive, I suppose that Zapatero would have gone with his usual drop pants, pass the KY solution).
That's Paul in his Take-No-Prisoners Mode. Read the other posts while you're there - you won't be disappointed.
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The Code of Hammurabi (updated)
Mar. 29 - Education just isn't what it used to be:
Death Penalty Tossed Over Jury's Bible Study:
DENVER — The Colorado Supreme Court on Monday threw out the death penalty in a rape-and-murder case because jurors had studied Bible verses such as "eye for eye, tooth for tooth" during deliberations.
On a 3-2 vote, justices ordered Robert Harlan to serve life in prison without parole for kidnapping 25-year-old cocktail waitress Rhonda Maloney in 1994, raping her at gunpoint for two hours and then fatally shooting her.
The jurors in Harlan's 1995 trial sentenced him to die, but defense lawyers discovered five of them had looked up Bible verses, copied them down and talked about them while deliberating a sentence behind closed doors.
The Supreme Court said "at least one juror in this case could have been influenced by these authoritative passages to vote for the death penalty when he or she may otherwise have voted for a life sentence." [Irritating (search) notations deleted]
As an aside, I have yet to meet anyone who has even a passing acquaintance with the Bible who needed to write the one cited passage down. It's only one of the most well known passages in the Bible, so there must be more to the story that is being reported, and now I'm curious as to what passages were relatively unknown and actually needed to be written out.
But the real curiosity was in the findings of the appeal. The judge should have known that the legal concept of equal punishment for equal transgression was actually codified by a Babylonian king in 2500 B.C. in what has come to be known as the The Code of Hammurabi which systematically organized earlier laws into one code:
The code then regulates in clear and definite strokes the organization of society. The judge who blunders in a law case is to be expelled from his judgeship forever, and heavily fined. The witness who testifies falsely is to be slain. Indeed, all the heavier crimes are made punishable with death. Even if a man builds a house badly, and it falls and kills the owner, the builder is to be slain. If the owner's son was killed, then the builder's son is slain. We can see where the Hebrews learned their law of "an eye for an eye." These grim retaliatory punishments take no note of excuses or explanations, ..
On second reading, maybe the judge had his own reasons to consider the potential influence of the Code to be dangerous.
Oh well, at least weird stuff is finally coming out of Colorado again (All the, um, semi-oddball states have to do their part, you know.)
(No offense intended to residents of Colorado. I'm a native of California, so I get that you may be tired of everyone thinking you're all crazy.)
(Really, I more than get it. I endured years of strange looks when I told people I was from California. They either thought I was either crazy to leave or as nutty as a fruitcake just because I was born there. You just gotta know when you can't win.)
Mar. 30 - 02:20 Many thanks to commenter TimR for providing a link to the NY Times article on the Co. Supreme Court ruling which has much more context than the Fox report.
Mr. Harlan is one deranged man. His victim escaped and waved down a passing vehicle, Harlan caught up with them, shot the motorist leaving her paralyzed and then shot and killed his first victim. He did not kill on impulse but exhibited a cold determination to kill.
The defense lawyers brought up the Bible (it's inferred that this happened during statements before the jury retired to consider the sentence) and urged the jurors to consult Biblical wisdom, including the mercy God showed to Abraham (referring to Isaac, I assume.)
Legal experts said that Colorado was unusual in its language requiring jurors in capital felony cases to explicitly consult a moral compass. Most states that have restored the death penalty weave in a discussion of moral factors, lawyers said, along with the burden that jurors must decide whether aggravating factors outweigh mitigating factors in voting on execution.
Furthermore, the judge instructed the jury "to think beyond the narrow confines of the law" and that "each juror ... must make an 'individual moral assessment,' in deciding whether Mr. Harlan should live." The Supreme Court could have found the judge erred in his instructions, but the article only states
The Bible, the court said, constituted an improper outside influence and a reliance on what the court called a "higher authority.
Professor Howard J. Vogel is quoted in the article to say "I don't think it's a religious text that's the problem here, but rather whether something is being used that trumps the law of the state."
Personal moral compasses and reliance on "higher authorities" have long trumped the law of the state and many brave souls, such as the early Christian martyrs, Henry David Thoreau, John Brown, Susan B. Anthony, those who sheltered Anne Frank and defied Nazi law, Mahatma Ghandi, Dr. King, and thousands of freedom marchers have disobeyed the law and inspired millions more and, by their appeal to the moral compasses of others, profoundly changed the world for the better.
Moral compasses have long trumped the law because when it does not do so we silently allow gays, Jews, gypsies and other "undesirables" to be transported to gas chambers, we do not challenge laws that legislate second class citizenship within our nations, and we stand idly by while genocide is committed in places like Iraq, Rwanda and Sudan.
Free people have moral compasses. Sheep do not.
Colorado Conservative Darren has some reflections on the decision and more information about the Colorado ruling.
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What's even stranger about this case is that it was the lawyers for the defense that made the argument to use the Bible for guidance in the first place. See the NY Times version of the story:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/29/national/29bible.html?ex=1269752400&en=49f9ed0a28323aaf&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland
"Lawyers for Mr. Harlan also specifically urged the jurors to consider biblical wisdom, according to the Supreme Court's decision, with a request that they find mercy in their hearts "as God ultimately took mercy on Abraham."
"The lawyers also made several references to Mr. Harlan's soul and his habit of reading the Bible with his father, the court said."
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Thanks, Tim, the
NY Times piece had far more context than the Fox report.
Updated with the link.
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The young, the younger and the elderly
Mar. 28 - Hello everyone! We spent a fairly intensive family-filled weekend. Mark's brother came down from Sault Ste. Marie to attend a bridge tournament here and we managed to catch up on family news and solve most of the world's problems (funny how much of that goes on in living rooms!)
I always have mixed feelings on holidays. There's the ubiquitous nostalgia for the days when we'd hide the eggs anticipating the fun as the kids would uncover them in the most unlikely places (although the dog beat them all on that score!) but those memories contrast sharply with the living reality of seeing competent, adult children who managed to turn out alright despite our fumbling, learn-it-as-you-go approach to child-raising. Raising children is a humbling experience, and even though one does everything one can to protect them from every conceivable danger and to teach them right from wrong, there is simply no certainty and far too often unpredictable luck saves, teaches, and/or hurts them.
The news over the weekend seemed dominated with issues of life and death, and in two of the instances the parents have been at the forefront. It was sobering, to say the least.
Terri Schiavo and the determination of her parents to save her continued to figure prominently in the news, and I think one aspect of her case that younger reporters don't understand is the horror of losing a child. I keep hearing interviews with people referring to making similar decisions on behalf of their parents or with others who believe the case has become personal because we might each be a Terri, but but that completely misses the point.
What would we do were one of our children in Terri's state? One thing I never envisioned would be that I might have to talk to my kids about what they would want us to do should they be in such a condition and it's not a conversation I am looking forward to. (We chose to avoid it at Eastertime. It seemed wrong to have such a conversation while we were celebrating the triumph of life over death.)
We know that we will eventually have to say goodbye to our parents or that we could be struck down and left half-way between life and death, but what parent really expects to bury their child? There's a good reason we have the phrase "a parent's worst nightmare" and it's because such thoughts rarely intrude in our waking moments (in large part because we hastily push them aside - who could abide such thoughts without going mad?) The struggle around Terri Schiavo has a specific personal content for those of us with adult children and raises questions that are not easily answered.
When do we really give up guardianship over our children? Does marriage supercede parental care? I've tried to avoid attacking Michael Schiavo because I can't see into his heart and it is quite possible that he believes he is following Terri's wishes, but I don't understand why he has failed to authorize medical procedures that have been developed over the past fifteen years or aggressive therapy techniques that could have improved her condition. Most parents would pursue any and all courses that might restore, even partially, their child.
It is so easy to assume that we would not want to live in such and such a condition, but humans have a stubborn tendency to fight to live despite terrible pain and our instinct for surivival is not a thing stemming from our heads but from our hearts, and that instinct for survival includes the lengths to which we will go to save our children.
The Constitutional issues this case has stirred are not easily resolved, but there seems a clear antagonism between the executive and legislative branches - federal and state - and the judiciary which exceeds the definitions of federal and state jurisdictions. I tend to refrain from hoping that Gov. Jeb Bush will violate the law, which he would be doing should he defy the courts, but that's reflective mostly of a reluctance to see a publicly elected official put himself above the legally installed judiciary and the implications of such an act.
Yet the governor of a state can legally intervene to stop a legally ordered execution of a prisoner on death row. It doesn't make sense to allow the power to grant life in that instance but not in Terri's.
The intransigence of the courts may be the ultimate root story here. The federal court chose a narrow interpretation of "Terri's Law" which went contrary to the intent of the legislation, and that may well cause more people to question if the judiciary is tipping the balance implicit in the Constitutional separation of powers rather than maintaining it. This case may well begin a series of legislative initiatives to restrain courts which have tended increasingly to make laws rather than interpret them. It will certainly lend flavour in confirmation hearings for judicial appointments where the philosophies of strict interpretation of the Constitution and laws is counterposed to those who believe the Constitution is a "living document."
Far less easily addressed are the questions which must be raised on behalf of those parents who were forced to endure the worst of a parent's worst nightmare during Easter week. There is simply no comment that I, or anyone, can make that could adequately address the hell they went through and the grief of the outcomes much less reflect on what those young girls suffered, so there's been mostly focus on the more clinical analysis of how laws and the courts serve to protect our children from predators.
Most people understand that we must protect those who cannot defend themselves, and the growing anger at the failure of the legal system to keep faith with those who believe in that principle are combining to challenge what is seen as a "soft" approach to pedophiles and other sex offenders who, in accordance with one of our most basic principles, are released after serving their time without being branded or otherwise marked to warn of the danger they may represent because they served their time and have been released with the injunction not to break the law again.
Two, basic legal precepts are in stark contrast, and there needs to be some way found to reconcile them. We believe that those who serve their time should be regarded as rehabilitated and given a chance to begin new lives, and we believe that our children must be protected from predators who defy rehabilitation.
The other big story this weekend, the failing health of John Paul II, represents a different kind of contrast to the first two stories. This man, who led the Catholic Church during a tumultous period which saw the fall of the Berlin Wall, the struggle against Islamofascism and the child abuse scandals, might be said to have fulfilled his destiny. He will leave this world with a legacy that historians will eventually define, but I suspect that one part of that legacy must be the extent to which it inspired and provoked people much as the struggle for Terri Schiavo has.
It is appropriate, although harsh, that the Easter weekend was the backdrop for vast issues concerning the meaning of life, crime and punishment, and death with dignity. We rarely resolve such issues until major controversies force us to confront the fact that they are indeed issues in need of resolution, and the matter of whether those issues are to be resolved with or despite the courts is not the least of the matter.
Mar. 29 - 11:36: Bill of Strong World provided a link in an earlier comment to an essay by Alan Keyes, Why Jeb Bush has the power to act now, which goes into more detail (and better) than I did on the options available to the executive and legislative branches when the judiciary exceeds its authority.
Darned good article. I don't agree with Mr. Keyes's call to action only because I don't think the American people are yet persuaded that the judiciary needs to be restrained and they would view vigorous executive action to defy a court ruling with alarm (yet another downside of the failure to teach the Constitution and civics in schools is the total ignorance of Americans about the workings of their own branches of government, but that's a rant for another time.)
What I do see is that relatively mild surprise has been generated by some of the recent, more questionable rulings which has yet to cascade into the kind of public outrage the legislative and executive branches feel they must have before they actually confront the judiciary. (Or I could be wrong, and Jeb Bush will ignore the court ruling, take guardianship of Terri Schiavo, and appoint an independent advocate on her behalf.) I think it more likely that we may see a series of legislative initiatives that will indirectly confront the courts and gain public support by putting a spotlight on questionable rulings.
I'm sure I'm not the only person who noted that the Supreme Court ducked the Pledge of Allegiance issue on a loophole!
12:01 - Hmm, FoxNews is reporting that Rev. Jesse Jackson is visiting Terri Schiavo's hospice, praying with Schlinder supporters, and strongly criticizing the court rulings ordering Terri's death. He's isn't always an accurate weather vane, but his position will put the liberal media in a bit of a quandary as he is generally regarded as a leader of the national African-American community.
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Jesse Jackson will put the liberal media in quandry?
WTF.
THAT DOESN'T EVEN BEGIN TO MAKE ANY SENSE.
FOX News will be the only with the problem. The so-called "liberal" media won't care one way or antother BECAUSE IT DOES NOT EXIST. FOX, the network fanatically opposed to him and his political beliefs, will be having the funniest case of cognitive dissonance ever. "WE DON'T LIKE HIm, BUT HE'S PANDERING TO US!!!! WHAT DO WE DO????/ ARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGG-"
*Sean Hannity's head explodes, showering unemployed fanatical protestors brandishing Nazi flags and unintentionally hilarious placards with brain matter*
*Bill O'Rilley touches himself furiously on air*
* Ann Coulter's Adam's Apple is exposed to the world. AND IT'S A DOOZY OF AN ADAM'S APPLE*
*Charles Karuthammer's suit and tie magically straighten for the first time in his life*
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Now BG, you know what how you get when you forget your meds. Breathe slowly and turn on CBC. You'll feel much better.
Posted by: Debbye at March 29, 2005 04:12 PM (x97I3)
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That's the best you can do?
Wow. Sad. That was a totally sucky response. "Off your meds" LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
With the notable exception of PJ O'Rourke, this proves once again that the right-wing is utterly humorless- especially in terms of coming up with funny and new material.
Guess there's a reason why malls in the suburbs and gated communities are so bland and boring- its what righties are accoustomed to- makes them feel at home. NOT TOO MUCH THERE TO MAKE YOU THINK TO HARD.
SHAME ON YOU. You should read more than the "Da Vinci Code" and watch other things besides FOX and reality television.
You might actaully be able to think of something creative for once in your life (and don't say this blog is "creative". All you do is parrot back other smarter and more inflential people's talking points)
I expect better in the near future.
Put on those thinking caps.
(maybe some awkardly used slang and cultural references two years out of date will be used in your next "bitchy flame"? Yes. I think so)
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 29, 2005 07:28 PM (t+KkC)
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"NOT TOO MUCH THERE TO MAKE YOU THINK TO HARD."
LOL
Still struggling with those advanced 'too' and 'to' issues, Blackglasses?
I know it is cruel to make fun of Canadians and their third grade grammar skills, but......
Posted by: mikem at March 29, 2005 09:25 PM (EzNXf)
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oh mikem. The epitomie of bad trolling(for dick).
Looksie: I didn't make fun of Debbye's mangled grammar in her "flame"- i just focused on her banality.
Speaking of banality:
LINES:3
CANADA CANADA CANADA CANADIANS count: 1
Nice. You're the one who needs new material more than anyone else.
PS: Am i still keeping you awake? Losing sleep over my posts? Does your day revolve around my pity comments and biloviating?
PUT DOWN THE TOM CLANCY NOVEL BEFORE SOMEONE GETS HURT.
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 29, 2005 10:41 PM (t+KkC)
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"Am i still keeping you awake? Losing sleep over my posts?"
No. I'm an American. If I was Canadian or a fan of Canada I would possibly lose sleep over your posts. As it is, I can picture all of Canada cringe each time you show off your top flight Canadian education.
"Does your day revolve around my pity [sic] comments and biloviating [sic]?
There is some truth to this. Not my entire day, but certainly the two or three hours I spend checking blogs. I check here several times a day, not just for Debbye's updates, but also for the easy pickings that almost any blog that attracts Canadian comments presents.
Nothing so reinvigorates an American's self esteem than to read what the average Canadian has to say, or attempts to say.
"The epitomie [sic] of bad trolling"
Really now, BG. Have you no shame?
Posted by: mikem at March 29, 2005 11:53 PM (EzNXf)
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TOTAL LINES: 6
CANADA CANADA CANADA CANADIANS COUNT: 6
Boring.
Small children can do better than the two of you put together. At least they can go from "doo-doo head" to "poopie head" once in awhile. Glad to see that such great minds all flock to the political right in the US*
Also, this trainwreck still doesn't hide the face that all of youse in the united states are comically wrong in your perception of the media as a "liberal" entity. Ha. Ha. Ha.
But if it makes your "big" American penises feel bigger go nuts and say that CBS= PRAVDA.
The fact that every network went on and on about a story that should have only been of interest to a few religious lunatics living in trailer parks for TWO WHOLE WEEKS should maybe tell you that PROFITS are more important than personal beliefs to these people (except FOX, which is just the propoganda arm of the Republican party, yes it is, not boring study by the Heritage FOundation or AEI will convince anyone who'se not a partisian hack otherwise).
ANyways. I'm sure I'm distracting you and Debbye from your vigils over the corpse of Terri and your nightly readings of the Left Behind series, as well as keeping you up at night. Sorry.
PS:
So are you fascinated by the Priory of Sion? Have you counted all the panes of glass outside the Louvre?
PPS:
Confidential: No Butt Plugs in the dishwasher please.
* know this statment is not true, but no one in this right wing "blogosphere" does not even come close to someone like Henry Kissenger or William F. Buckley. You're all dumb hacks and little parrots. Baaaaaaaa. Go back to watching FOX.
PPPS:
SPEELCHECK PLZ!
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 30, 2005 12:09 AM (t+KkC)
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"...from your vigils over the corpse of Terri..."
This is where you Canadians shine, in your ability to take a tragic situation and make a mockery of Canadian 'tolerance' by poking fun at a defenseless woman and her comatose condition.
You are a worthless human being, Blackglasses, and I now agree with Debbye's consideration of banning you. You're a real piece of crap and regardless of the horrible home life you endured, there is no excuse for the Canadus Maximus you exhibit.
Posted by: mikem at March 30, 2005 12:49 AM (EzNXf)
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This is where you Bulgarians shine, in your ability to take a tragic situation and make a mockery of Bulgarian 'tolerance' by poking fun at a defenseless woman and her comatose condition.
You are a worthless human being, Blackglasses, and I now agree with Debbye's consideration of banning you. You're a real piece of crap and regardless of the horrible home life you endured, there is no excuse for the Bulgarius Maximus you exhibit.
LIBERAL MEDIA LIBERAL MEDIA LIBERAL MEDIA.
Doesn't exist. Better ignore it.
PS: She's hamburger. Get over it. Oh- an the "right thing" in this situation is to let her die naturally. The feeding tube is grossly disporortional morally to the situation.
PPS: Did you pump your fist in the air when Nicolai Capernica was revealed as the anti-christ?
bet you did. HEY! Did i just give away the ending?
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 30, 2005 02:16 PM (t+KkC)
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Believe me, Blackglasses, the woman you refer to as "hamburger" has more life in her than you will on your best day. You take great pride in poking fun at helpless people, which just further identifies you as a cowardly anonymous punk. Be proud of yourself. I'm sure you are a step up from the parent who raised you to be such a hateful little coward.
Posted by: mikem at March 30, 2005 03:01 PM (EzNXf)
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I sure could go for a Big Mac right about now...Aw man, that sure would hit the spot.
As for compassion, I really don't buy it coming from you, seeing as how fanatically you support the Iraqi war and all the torture and death that has come along with it. Love your fellow man, eh?
Yep. You're a saint.
Response: DEMOCRACY IS BETTER AND WILL LET PEOPLE LIVE TORTURE DOESN'T EXIST YOU LOVE SADDAM CANADA CANADA CANADA CANADIANS
OR
You'll act all wounded and "death is a tragedy I never said that" blah blah blah.
Wonder which one you'll choose?
Same old show.
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 30, 2005 04:53 PM (t+KkC)
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Indeed. Just think about all those German soldiers killed by Canadian murderers in WWII. You are on to something here, you cowardly anonymous punk.
Posted by: mikem at March 30, 2005 05:45 PM (EzNXf)
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Since we're all ready off topic and into fantasy crazy conversation land that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand, i think that the upcoming "Sin City" movie looks totally awesome.
Thoughts?
PS: Americans kill babies in their cribs...as well as brain damaged people. They are highly moral.
PPS: Iraqis aren't included in the culture of life? How utterly American. Typical Americans.
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 30, 2005 06:52 PM (t+KkC)
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Still too afraid to post your email address, you coward?
Posted by: mikem at March 30, 2005 07:13 PM (EzNXf)
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Mikey, we don't need any more CIA goons in Canada. You know, criminals like Hal Banks aka "Canada's Sweetheart". Or a cold blooded killer like Howard Hunt, station chief in Guatamula where he dispatched tens of thousands of people to their final resting places.
You are sick Mikey if you believe people in Guatamula are going to "love" you for what your country did to them and their families.
Hell, you are sick if you believe that Americans with priests and nuns in Guatamula that were killed by rampaging CIA thugs, are going to love your country for what you did.
As for me, I no longer give a shit. As far as I am concerned, we should close the border to large trucks and trains and pipelines, and let family visit each other with cars and aircraft. The oil can stay in the ground, the trees can start to regrow, and Montana cowboys can ride the range and raise their own cattle. For as much money as we need for a few necessities in life, we can sell the odd hog to the Japanese or the Chinese, and not have to move it through the US; and we can buy our Japanese and Chinese customers a couple of saki for good luck.
Hell we can even fire the MBAs and get rid of the noise, the yelling and the shouting, to say nothing of the wasted cost of the American cheerleaders on Bay Street.
The peace and quiet would be a welcome relief.
Posted by: Joe Green at March 30, 2005 08:49 PM (5dXW9)
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Still afraid to fight in Iraq for something you belive in, you coward?
Come on. Sign up. Put your money where your mouth is.
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 30, 2005 10:15 PM (t+KkC)
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Also: I forgot to ask mikem what he thought of "I Heart Huckabees". I liked it.
(Off topic crazy fantasy land postings- continuing the trainwreck of discussion and Debbye's hit-o-rama)
PPS: Still hamburger.
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 30, 2005 10:17 PM (t+KkC)
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Go, Joe, go! I can see the spittle flying off your mouth as you rant on and on about the last thoughts in your head, including, cluelessly, selling beef to Japan directly, thereby avoiding a ban on US beef by Japan due to their fear that it contains Canadian beef!!!!!!!!
Bwahaha.
Posted by: mikem at March 30, 2005 10:55 PM (EzNXf)
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Mikem: i had a friend in Iraq who one day was attacked by partisians in his poorly armoured Humvee.
As he lay in the Iraqi mud, bleeding from many places, he looked up and said : "Why wasn't mikem here to protect my back? Why wasn't he here?"
Then he remembered why.
Mikem is a crybaby coward who talks big, but, if he was ever drafted he'd "develop" asmatha or make a run to the border.
What a coward.
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 30, 2005 11:42 PM (t+KkC)
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Actually, anonymous warrior, I enlisted and served from '72 to '76.
And your qualifications are what?
Posted by: mikem at March 30, 2005 11:49 PM (EzNXf)
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So why aren't you fighting now you little coward?
Coward.
You really hate the fighting men and women of America, you repulsive chicken hawk.
Typical American.
How utterly American.
Also: glad to see you're part of the culture of life by taking pride in being part of an institution that kills people.
Compassion = mikem
PS: i'm just as qualified as President Bush in not fighting in the miliatry- and i love American just as much as him.
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 31, 2005 10:53 AM (t+KkC)
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"So why aren't you fighting now you little coward?"
Do the numbers.
So now those who have served are the chickenhawks? I thought it was those who had not served, like you.
And yes, I was very proud to have served my country.
I can tell how much pride you take in yourself by the fact that you hide behind anonymity and changing avatars.
Your claim to fame is a lack of shame and the ability to say hateful things about the most sympathetic people. It is what phonies like you consider to be 'tough', showing your outrageousness and hoping it will be mistaken for manliness. It doesn't work. Eventually you will actually make the mistake of talking tough to someone you can't hide from and you will end up whining about how mean other people are.
Posted by: mikem at March 31, 2005 12:44 PM (EzNXf)
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So why aren't you fighting and dying? Don't you love American and hate tyranny?
Also, its really funny that someone your age (50s-60s) is participating in this childish flame war. Its even sadder that the best you can manage is "YOU SPEEL BAD" and "COWARD" and "I LOVE AMERICA/CANADA CANADA CANADA CANADIANS"
A lifetime of learning and experiences and that's the best you can do.
Sad.
(PS: I'm sure you defended freedom and served your country as a toilet scrubber in Georgia for 4 years OF PATRIOTISM)
also: culture of life and sympatheic? Compasionate? you and Debbye- two people who cheer on war and death?
LOL
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 31, 2005 12:51 PM (t+KkC)
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ALSO: you don't know what chickenhawk means- you should look it up. (Which is odd considering that is exactly what you are)
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“I'm sure you defended freedom and served your country as a toilet scrubber in Georgia for 4 years...”
Thank you. I did defend freedom and democracy, but in Hawaii as an aviation/electronics technician. Great duty. Great place. Great people. Not Canada.
The childishness that you refer to is entirely on your end. It is not I who responds to other commenters with a description of their mouthes stuffed with cock, or falsely accuses them of sending hate email as you do. If you think that anyone who responds to your juvenile postings is childish, then you are demanding free reign to attack others, without response, and in the anonymity of your changing avatars and fake email addresses. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way.
I have lots of free time on my hands and I enjoy reading Debbye's blog, among many others. You are here, with your disgraceful hate filled rants against anyone who confronts you, simply trying to degrade the experience of anyone who stops by at her blog. And so I confront you and when you call others stupid and dumb I take great pleasure in pointing out that you cannot even master simple spelling or word usage. When you degrade others who fight for freedom and democracy, I point out that you will not even dare to post an email address. When you poke fun at me for posting here, I point out that you are doing the same, a reaction that a simpleton would have anticipated but (chuckle) you failed to do.
All in all, Blackglasses, you embarrass your fellow Canadians and that is why I have, until recently, encouraged Debbye not to ban you.
Now, I think she should ban you. You have broken every rule of etiquette, including using changing avatars to support your rants, falsely quoting others, etc. And you very quickly lapse into hate for the sake of being outrageous. It undoubtedly passes as acceptable in Canada since Canadians do not criticize your more hateful posts but Debbye also has American readers who are used to a higher standard and I encourage her to use American rather than Canadian standards in her criteria.
Posted by: mikem at March 31, 2005 02:38 PM (EzNXf)
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OH NO! Its the "i'm better that you post"! Shocking! Nothing is sadder than a 50-60 year old participating in this childish flame war. It really is trully pathetic.
As for your service:
Anything to avoid Vietnam, eh?
Too many words, too many CANADA CANADA CANADA CANADIANS. You used it like 13 times in one paragraph- definetly a self hater who secretly wants to be Canadian (remember our Ann COulter discussion? Yeah- take what you said about me and apply it to you. Shocking)
As for banning. I find it odd that you have so much sway of what Debbye says and does. It's almost like you really are her.
Oh well. Back to your cowardace and culture of death that Americans so thrive on.
How typically Americans. I', just glad that Canada has higher standards. Glad America American American Americans.
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 31, 2005 05:17 PM (t+KkC)
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"Anything to avoid Vietnam, eh?"
Uh, how exactly does that work, BG? Voluntarily enlisting during wartime is avoiding war?
Do you mean to make any sense or are you just going for the "look at me, I'm outrageously idiotic" thing?
And as to your crying and whining about my asking Debbye to ban you, I have encouraged her not to do so in the past since you made a good poster boy for Canadian 'culture'. No one needs influence to ask Debbye to do what she has already said she is considering.
Besides, the fact that you yourself asked her to ban you a week or so ago ("It will do us both good") makes your present whimpering all the more pathetic.
If you want to be the bad boy for your little Canadian pals, then at least act tough and stop the begging.
Posted by: mikem at March 31, 2005 06:30 PM (EzNXf)
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Mikem=gayer than dad's old hatband
(and just as boring). Debbye: you're attack dog alter ego won't get rid of me if that's what your hoping.
It takes me 1 minute to post like 15 times. I can do this forever.
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 31, 2005 08:35 PM (t+KkC)
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A stinging retort from Blackglasses. What creativity! What resourcefulness! Calling people gay. Now who would have thought of that?
Posted by: mikem at March 31, 2005 09:21 PM (EzNXf)
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Mikem. What creativity! What resourcefulness!
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March 24, 2005
Islamic school suspends teachers over student's hate-filled tale
Mar. 24 - I wish I could be surprised at this:
Ottawa Islamic school suspends teachers over student's hate-filled tale.
(Link via Neale News.)
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Are you guys up there allowed to home school?
Posted by: Jay at March 24, 2005 03:45 PM (PuNh2)
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Debbye:
I would like to join your anti-muslim, I MEAN ANTI-WAHABBI, crusade.
Please send me a list of "Muslim Watch" "Islam On the March", "Muslims: Can they be trusted" and "MUSLIMS WANT YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS!!!" sites post haste.
(I wonder if they will resemble the anti gay and anti-black propoganda of the past? DIAGONSIS: Positive)
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 24, 2005 04:34 PM (t+KkC)
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Blackglasses,
When muslims become the majority in our country, how long before we to turn into a hand-chopping, wife-beating, Jew-hating theocracy? Remember to smile and say "thank you" when they slit your throat for being an infidel...
Posted by: Flanstein at March 24, 2005 07:04 PM (u9HcF)
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MUSLIMS MUSLIMS MUSLIMS!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
That statement you just wrote was funnier than all the Terri Shiavalo protesters and every Bill O'Rilley episode put together in a hurricane of insecure little dicked right wing rage.
I tip my hat to you sir, i tip my hat.
(When oh when will the Americans get a news service that gives rich white people a fair share to hear about trivual bullshit? WHEN?)
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 24, 2005 08:13 PM (t+KkC)
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An interesting thing about that story is that the school principal was totally unaware of what was going on in the classroom and even, it seems, of the fact that a murder-fantasy was on display in a glass case in the school. I'd be interested to know how long it was there before someone reported it to her. Not long, I hope. I strongly suspect this is a case of a couple of, for lack of a better term, "rogue teachers" taking advantage of a principal who doesn't speak the Arabic language. Let's try the standard thought experiment used in such cases and ask ourselves "what would occur if the teachers were, say, catholics and the student had written a story glorifying the killing of doctors that practise abortion?". OK, so a kid might develop such fantasies (killing Israelis or doctors) without coaching from a teacher, no problem there. But, to have the teachers then encourage the fantasies? Developing story, maybe.
By the way Debbye, what's it like to have your blog become famous enough to attract the likes of mr. blackglasses? that's a rhetorical question, of course..
Posted by: keith at March 25, 2005 10:04 AM (xfdnu)
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Jay:
Re: Home schooling. Yes I believe so but I don't know what the regulations are regarding testing, standards, etc.
Posted by: John B at March 25, 2005 10:29 AM (ju7Wp)
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Good enough, I don't have the faintest idea of the requirements here either, I was just wondering if it was an option.
Posted by: Jay at March 25, 2005 12:32 PM (PuNh2)
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Blackglasses:
He's just another Jew-hater....
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Send in the National Guard
Mar. 24 - The Supreme Court has declined to hear the Schiavo case, and
Florida Gov. Bush filed a motion to take custody of her which has been denied (14:08.)
Someone (sorry, I don't remember who) speculated that the Schiavo case was another Gary Condit non-scandal which consumed the media waves despite the lack of substance. I don't agree. As a nation we've been through so much sacrifice, heroism, death, loss and recovery these past 4 years and in some respects we are now looking at if (or how much) these momentuous events have changed us.
Follow the "continued" link below if you want to read more, or skip it if you're tired of the subject. It's exhausting, and should be. We've been through two wars, are holding our collective breaths over Lebanon and Krygyzstan (and now Estonia) and once again need to define who and what we are.
I need to sleep or I'll be a total wreck tonight, so I'm signing off (unless I can't sleep. Sigh.)
By the way, there is a somewhat atypical Ann Coulter column, Starved for justice, up at Townhall.com, and she makes a suggestion that is very appealing:
Democrats have called out armed federal agents in order to: 1) prevent black children from attending a public school in Little Rock, Ark. (National Guard), 2) investigate an alleged violation of federal gun laws in Waco, Texas (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms), and 3) deport a small boy to Cuba (Immigration and Naturalization Service).
So how about a Republican governor sending in the National Guard to stop an innocent American woman from being starved to death in Florida?
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In two of the three cases mentioned above, the Democrats' use of force was in direct contravention of court rulings.
If you're scratching your head and wondering what the second case was, run the name
Orval Faubus through your mind and see if something clicks.
more...
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It is a sad comment on our society that we have reached a point where we allow a young woman to be barbarically murdered in public, when she has family ready to love her and care for her and the state denies them that right.
Whether she is in a prolonged vegetative state or mentally disabled is not really the issue. Terri Schiavo never made her wishes known. There is good reason to believe that, given access to proper treatment & therapy, she might respond and her condition improve.
Almost immediately after her husband obtained a large settlement to enable him to continue her care, he ceased that care, denied her further treatments and began a legal struggle to end her life. I could go on and on but his motives are in serious doubt.
I have heard way too much about Terri's "right to die". What about her right to live?
Posted by: Bill at March 24, 2005 11:10 PM (WTtgm)
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Jeb doesn't need to resort to the National Guard. He could've had the Florida Department of Children and Families (DCF) take her into temporary custody at any time, something they routinely do with elderly, incapacitated or disabled adults who they have reason to believe have been abused or neglected. It's an exercise of their administrative duties under the Florida statutes and they DON'T need a court order to do it (though it is, of course, subject to judicial review after). Unfortunately, instead of simply sending in DCF on their own, the governor very stupidly went on bended knee to ask permission from Judge Greer, and what he got as a response was a slap in the face and a judicial power-grab of monumental proportions: a mandate from the court to every sheriff in the state to prevent DCF from carrying out its duties should it attempt to do so.
Posted by: Dave J at March 25, 2005 01:46 AM (kLLbt)
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Governor Bush is Terri's last hope and he has the constitutional authority to put an end to this right now. Alan Keyes writes an explanation of how the separation of powers and the checks and balances between the 3 branches of government can be used to defend justice against situations of judicial tyranny, which this clearly is.
read it here
Posted by: Bill at March 25, 2005 11:17 PM (LG1KT)
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Debbye, you speak my own mind. Brian Nichols will be given every comfort known to man because he is an admitted killer-on-trial. Terri Schaivo will be given nothing - not even a feeding tube.
At some point we gotta, finally, ask ourselves if the value of life is worth the value of a Life. This whole thing is making me sick.
Posted by: Tuning Spork at March 26, 2005 12:20 AM (W/beH)
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Bill, while Keyes may be right in principle, in practice that simply isn't going to happen. Jeb isn't going to send DCF agents into a gunfight with the Pinellas County Sheriff's Department, and that's ultimately what would be required.
Posted by: Dave J at March 27, 2005 02:28 AM (kLLbt)
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Bill, thanks for the link. I only had a chance to read it this morning, and noted that Keyes too thinks the judiciary has tipped the balance of powers. I don't agree with him, though, that the executive branch alone can take on the judiciary.
More on the update.
Posted by: Debbye at March 29, 2005 07:34 AM (x97I3)
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There is a very good article on WND.com concerning the money that has been involved in this case. The title of the article is:
LIFE AND DEATH TUG OF WAR
Terri's money used to pay for starvation death
Once well-provided for, disabled woman now dependent on taxpayers.
I found this quote in the article very telling.
"... Attorney Felos, the guardian, and I feel that the receipt of a petition for payment of attorney fees regarding this issue would not be the best and kindest way for the ward's parents to learn that this issue is being considered."
In other words, We are going to do everything we can to prevent Terri from living, and we are going to get paid from Terri's estate,but we do not want to tell Terri's parents what we are doing, despite the law saying that Terri's parents should be notified. Please read the article,it is very informative.
Posted by: ArchAngel at March 29, 2005 03:27 PM (y36pZ)
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Archangel, I don't know if it's the same article but I also read that the settlement has paid Michael Schiavo's legal fees.
Do you have the link?
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Tuning Spork, beautifully put. It's easy to talk about the value of life but our words are hollow when we have failed to revere the value of
a Life.
Great response to Neal Boortz over at
Blather Review.
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http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43510
Here is the link to the article that I mentioned iin my post.
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Kyrgyzstan president flees country?
Mar. 24 - Interfax news agency reported that Kyrgyz President Askar Akayev and his family
left the capital Thursday evening by helicopter after protesters seized control of government buildings and communications centers and a later report said that they were headed to Russia.
Caution: These reports have not been verified and rely on unnamed sources.
March 24: Protesters surround the presidential compound in Kyrgyzstan.
AP
The storming of the compound was the culmination of the first major rally in the Kyrgyz capital since opposition supporters seized control of key cities and towns in the south to underline their demands that Akayev step down amid allegations of fraud in this year's parliamentary vote.
The rally started with about 5,000 opposition supporters moved down Bishkek's main avenue, halting in the city's main square adjacent to the white stone presidential and government headquarters. The building was surrounded by helmeted riot police with truncheons and shields. Protesters chanted "Akayev, go!"
Many of the demonstrators had come from a rally on the outskirts of Bishkek, where protesters roared and clapped when an opposition activist asserted that Akayev's foes would soon control the entire Central Asian nation.
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Many of the demonstrators wore pink or yellow headbands signifying their loyalty to the opposition — reminiscent of the orange worn by protesters who helped topple the Ukrainian government late last year.
The situation in Kyrgyzstan is dissimilar to those in Georgian and Ukraine in that there is no single opposition figure which can assume leadership of the country, so there could be some instability should Akayev step down. Also, there have been several clashes between protesters and government supporters (? - AP describes them as "men in civilian clothes and blue armbands".)
Stay tuned.
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The gradual surrounding of Russia and China continues. In time the final showdown will begin.
Posted by: Brian Walsh at March 24, 2005 01:43 PM (vAI+5)
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Oh goody. The final showdown. Armageddon? Yes.
"Left Behind" theology. Goodie.
Hooray. Religious nuts.
Hmmm...how odd that they would flock to an extremist site like this...
(Waiting for inevitable "NO I MEAN BETWEEN DEMOCRACY AND AUTOCRACY" response...sure you are)
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 24, 2005 04:36 PM (t+KkC)
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Brian, the government of Estonia has also resigned.
There's certainly something in the air, and it all does seem directed at Russia.
Blackglasses, your persistent heckling is wearing thin. I'm seriously contemplating drastic measures.
Posted by: Debbye at March 24, 2005 05:19 PM (tkiwS)
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Just ban me already.
It's been over a month and you still haven't. I personally am amazed you didn't a along time ago.
IT WILL DO US BOTH A WORLD OF GOOD.
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 24, 2005 10:32 PM (t+KkC)
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"IT WILL DO US BOTH A WORLD OF GOOD."
Gee, Blackglasses, could you be a bit more pathetic for us? Is there some psychosis that drives you to post your Canadian wisdom here? Are you just out of control and unable to resist? I urge you to clean up your act a bit and continue posting. No one better illustrates the quality of Canadian society than you. Your fellow Canadians think you represent them very well (except Flanstein, damn his sane heart).
Posted by: mikem at March 24, 2005 11:09 PM (EzNXf)
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Shame these things don;t have an "ignore" option.
Posted by: Jay at March 25, 2005 12:25 AM (PuNh2)
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One trick pony: Priceless
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 25, 2005 03:13 PM (t+KkC)
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March 23, 2005
Mohammad Mahjoub
Mar. 23 - Another moral dilemma:
Bail bid for detainee Mohammad Mahjoub, who has been held in a Toronto jail for nearly 5 years on suspicion of terror connections:
AFTER BEING held for nearly five years in a Toronto jail because of secret evidence and a national security certificate, Mohammad Mahjoub must wait several more months to learn if he will be granted bail. Mahjoub, 44, an alleged high-ranking terrorist with ties to Osama bin Laden, is one of five Canadians held on secret CSIS evidence as a threat to national security.
He appeared in federal court yesterday seeking bail, while Ottawa continues its efforts to deport him to Egypt, where, all sides agree, he faces the risk of torture.
The evidence is secret, so we are going on faith that it is valid. From what little I know of the case no charges have been filed although the article notes further down that he lied under oath previously. Generally speaking, we don't detain people for five years because we believe they might commit an illegal act but our new awareness of "sleepers" has changed our perception of what consitutes real and present dangers to national security.
One more for the "no easy answers" category. (I'm kidding; I don't have such a category ... yet.)
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So how come the protestors are continually complaining about the evil US keeping people at Gitmo indefinitely without trial, etc and from the sound of it Canada is doing the same thing?
I'm not complaining about the fact he's behind bars, just the way people think only the US is wrong by doing that.
Side note - I seem to recall france does that on a more or less routine basis.
Posted by: Jay at March 23, 2005 01:14 PM (PuNh2)
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OT again:
At Least 80 Killed in Raid on Insurgent Camp in Iraq
Fox they actually said 80 *terrorists* killed - maybe that was quoting the Iraqis
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/23/international/middleeast/23cnd-iraq.html?hp&ex=1111640400&en=8de96ef46d11f847&ei=5094&partner=homepage
Posted by: Jay at March 23, 2005 04:17 PM (PuNh2)
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Hey this guy is no angel I'm sure, but it is obvious that the legal system in Canada resembles a third world Kangeroo court.
This is a result of a certain minority in this country with an iron grip on the system and using it for their own benefit. Either charge this guy or deport him.
I'm waiting for the day when they start to lock up people that speak out loud and say things that they do not like.
Posted by: Brian Walsh at March 24, 2005 01:47 PM (vAI+5)
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The quality of mercy
Mar. 23 - Charles Krauthammer speaks to the issues in the Schiavo case,
The law is failing Terri and to the conflict over whether Congress and the president overstepped their bounds:
The general rule of spousal supremacy leads you here to a thoroughly repulsive conclusion.
Repulsive because in a case where there is no consensus among the loved ones, one's natural human sympathies suggest giving custody to the party committed to her staying alive and pledging to carry the burden themselves.
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Given our lack of certainty, given that there are loved ones prepared to keep her alive and care for her, how can you allow the husband to end her life on his say-so?
Because following the generally sensible rules of Florida custody laws, conducted with due diligence and great care over many years in this case, this is where the law led.
For Congress and the president to then step in and try to override that by shifting the venue to a federal court was a legal travesty, a flagrant violation of federalism and the separation of powers. The federal judge who refused to reverse the Florida court was certainly true to the law.
But the law, while scrupulous, has been merciless, and its conclusion very troubling morally. We ended up having to choose between a legal travesty on the one hand and human tragedy on the other.
No easy answers to this one. I think many of us have simply listened to our hearts, which whispered
Mercy. As Tolkien pointed out, letting mercy stay one's hand may seem foolish but we should not be so quick to take away life when we cannot also restore it.
I can't judge if Terri Schiavo is truly "brain dead." I can't judge what her wishes would be could she express them. I can't judge if she is or is not capable of responding to therapy.
I can only judge that her life has great value to her parents and that they are willing to fight to preserve that life.
I prefer to go with the option that does less harm, the option that is not irreversible, the option that springs from love and faith.
I prefer not to play God.
05:45 - I think what is most in my mind when I look at this case is (almost unavoidably) the example of Pontius Pilate, who followed the letter of the law and has been reviled for doing so by Christians. It's so easy on this side of the judicial bench ...
I dislike publishing personal facts about my family, but after thinking about this I think I should probably disclose that my sister was in a coma for several months, was non-responsive, and that the odds she would recover were low (she suffered a base skull fracture.) BUT she did wake up, and despite her chronic physical problems due to the injury, I know for a fact that she is glad to be alive as indeed are those of us who love her. That is probably why I shrug when I read assumptions printed as "facts" about Terri's awareness and potential for recovery. Doctors, like weather forecasters, make predictions based on probabilities but do not - or should not - exclude possibilities.
06:22 - Michelle Malkin sheds considerable light on the ABC poll which purported to show most Americans would prefer not to be kept alive in similar circumstances as Terri: they were misled about her condition!
6:32 The 11th Circuit Court denied the request to re-insert the feeding tube 2-1. The Schindlers plan to appeal.
06:53 - Kateland is also awake and posting early. She has a couple of posts on Terri Schiavo, and poses an challenging question on the Pope's quality of life and why people in Israel might be horrified that a woman be allowed to die of thirst and hunger. Good, penetrating posts.
07:19 - Peter Worthington points out that should Mr. Schlinder kill Mr. Schiavo, Mrs. Schlinder's wishes would prevail. (Pull in your horns, people, no one is actually advocating such an act! He's simply making a point about the illogic of the current law which would, in the absence of the husband, grant the decision in this case to Terri's next closest kin.)
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Yes, that's what the law says, but if we were paying attention to the actual laws in this case, her husband would be in jail for adultery. It's still in the law, and her husband is living with another woman, has two children with her, and calls her his fiancee. Money is also an issue here, as when Teresa Schiavo dies, he gets the remainder of a $20 million dollar legal settlement. You should look up the sworn statement of the nurse that used to help take care of her. He wants her to die, so that he can get the money, and marry his fiancee. Her parents offered him a divorce, so that he could marry this woman, and they could take over her care, but he wouldn't do it. He wants the money. She was not on life support, and she would "talk" to her nurses and family, even though her speech is garbled. Just because she can't feed herself, she should starve to death? By that reasoning all newborns, end-stage alzheimers patients, and any other person disabled so as not to be able to feed themselves should die. It's not right, and it shouldn't be happening. Should the federal gov't have stepped in, no, but somebody needs to. This is WRONG, INDECENT, and INHUMANE. Starving to death, or dying of dehydration are not "pleasant" or "peaceful" ways to die. This is WRONG. Her parents are willing to pay for her care, and to grant her husband a divorce. Shouldn't they be allowed to take over?
Posted by: Chad at March 23, 2005 09:34 AM (ogWpI)
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I have enough doubts in both directions I wouldn't want to make the decision. I wouldn't want to live like that but that's just me, now.
That being said, what bugs me is the word games they're playing - "allowing her to die". What a crock. They're killing her and they should admit that. Then they could give her the same decent execution any convicted murderer gets instead of torturing her to death.
I wouldn't want to live like her, no - but I'd want even less to be starved to death.
Posted by: Jay at March 23, 2005 01:24 PM (PuNh2)
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Good post Debbye.
I believe it was Saint Thomas of Aquinas who said that a bad law is no law.
Positive law (enacted by legislatures) draws its ultimate authority from the fact that it is consistent with natural law and Divine law.
When it fails this test, as it does most egregiously with Terri Schiavo, it compels neither respect, nor obedience, from citizens.
Posted by: John the Mad at March 23, 2005 11:19 PM (SHENr)
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I have a living will. Even with that, my family would not find much guidance for Terri's circumstances. I vote for her continued life because her ex-husband's word is too suspect, convenient, and 'timely'. And I don't think she should be neglected to death if we don't know what she wants. Her parents want her to receive aggressive therapy toward improvement. Her ex has demanded and succeeded in preventing this. I just don't think he is speaking in her interests and I certainly don't trust him.
It is not enough for us to say what we would want, even if we knew her real prognosis. It is what she would want and we just don't know.
Posted by: mikem at March 23, 2005 11:51 PM (EzNXf)
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How cute! The righties grab the new talking points that FOX was hammering home today about the husband being abusive and motivated by greed (despite the fact that both claims are total bullshit). You'll just parrot anything back as long as your told. You people are no better than Party members in the USSR. Are the networks and blogsphere your version of Pravda?
Stalin would love people like you.*
I'l look out with that living will mikem!! Your posts prove that you're already brain dead!
(OH SNAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!)**
* FIRST WITH THE STALIN REFERENCE! I PRE-EMPT ALL OF YOU!
** No "CANADA CANADA CANADA CANADIANS" Mikem? You must be losing your (retarded) touch. Looks like i broke you.
Posted by: Blackglasses at March 24, 2005 08:18 PM (t+KkC)
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