May 27, 2005

The map and the territory (updated)

May 27 - The 60's produced a lot of people who still hold to the values expressed by JFK, Dr. King, Malcolm X and RFK, and George Bush is also a product of the 60's. He expressed those ideals in his Whitehall Speech which spelt out the cause for freedom as our priority in U.S. foreign policy - and wasn't that the primary banner under which we marched in the 60's? I could understand dismissing the speech as mere words but we are actively in the field, fighting and dying to give life to those ideals, and our country was finally putting its money where its mouth was.

One would think that political activists from the 60's would feel some satisfaction that the major impetus for our activism - that the U.S. was supporting vicious dictators as part of the Cold War - had finally been addressed. So why are so many of them on the other side?

Keith Thompson's column in the SF Chronicle was noted by Instapundit (among many others) because he spells out unequivocally how the left abandoned liberalism. I can well imagine how the column was received in San Fransisco, though, and it probably started with the phrase "Yes, but."

Maz2 sent me a link to Thompson's website (Thompson at Large) and I noted in the interview on the main page that he expressed his admiration for Robert F. Kennedy. (Thompson also writes the blog Sane Nation.)

Invoking RFK sure brings back a lot of memories. People who make blanket assumptions about baby boomers do so in a vacuum. Maybe some day I'll write the definitive essay on how my generation was affected by events which culminated in 1968 and were I to really try and write it the thesis would probably be based on this hypothesis:

Baby-boomer Democrats are idealists who were mugged in 1968.

Maybe you had to be there to get that, but I'll just try to condense and say that politically aware people were hit with a bombardment of events in 1968 and those who look back on it as their heyday probably forgot that actually, it was a year of intense pain, struggle and loss (I sort of covered some of the events here in my early and thus raw blogging days.)

One unchallenged assumption we made back then was that those brave and courageous enough to stand up to U.S. foreign policy were liberations fighters. We were wrong. Different people probably have individual moments when that assumption proved disasterous, but for me it was probably the scenes of Vietnamese frantically trying to get out of Vietnam when the U.S. withdrew from Saigon - why were all these people trying to get away? they were free now! - and then the embassy takeover in Tehran forced me to reconsider my automatic support of the anti-Shah forces in Iran (because Khoumeini's supporters were, you know, progressive) and, although it took awhile and required kicking some very bad habits, I gradually figured out that being pro-democracy rarely equated anti-American. This new awareness wasn't based on fear but on guilt: I had blindly supported all things progressive and thus supported groups and causes that were as destructive and murderous as I imagined U.S. foreign policy to be.

A realization like that can really knock the wind out of you. Just think "Pol Pot" and imagine the shock when ugly reality intrudes on your complacent support for progressivism.

There are a lot of people who haven't moved beyond their 60's views, and that's their right, but I do find it disturbing that they so little resemble the people we were back then. We may have been dumb, but we also had a lot of love for and eagerly embraced the world and the future. Our belief system was as far away from cynical sophistication as you can possibly get - in fact, we avoided cynical and sophisticated people because they were, like, plastic, you know? Never trust anyone over 30 because they were all sell-outs who had been co-opted by the establishment and lived in the suburbs with houses made of ticky-tacky.

We despised liberals above all because they were phony, which proves that we were right about some things. We also despised the establishment, and the problem with today's liberals is that when they became the establishment, they became what they once opposed.

Yes, I'm going somewhere. I think that maybe you have to be humble enough to admit that the extravagances of one's youth were what they were, and they require neither stubborn defense nor apology but just a little honesty to ascertain what was good and should be preserved and, maybe, even a chance to feel good because even if there were some mistakes there were also some right calls, like supporting the Czechs, the civil rights movements, an end to apartheid, hating hypocrisy and understanding that freedom was worth fighting for even if we misread what actually were freedom, or liberation, movements.

Thompson obliquely addresses this:

Back to your question: Have I moved right? What today is called liberalism is almost unrecognizable from the liberalism of the late 1960s. This is not to be nostalgic about the past — it's a question of being accurate. In his 1966 Cape Town speech, Bobby Kennedy declared himself unwaveringly opposed to communism because it exalts the state over the individual and over the family. He said the best way to oppose communism is to enlarge individual human freedom.
The word conservative is used as an inditement on people who don't conform to the group-think of the left, and it's even more damning to be called a neo-con, which is a very useful tactic as most people don't even know what it means but it sounds nasty, like neo-Nazi, so obviously is bad.

Unfortunately for the old guard, the onrush of events these past few years has produced a lot of people, and especially young folks, who stop, reflect and wonder if they took the red pill or the blue pill. Once you have arrived to a frame of mind to pose the question you already know the answer, so do you do?

One answer lies in a new political undercurrent these days composed of people calling themselves South Park Conservatives and Thompson supplies one definition:

... South Park Conservatives, which describes young Americans who believe in a kick-ass foreign policy, and who mock the compulsory compassion of the P.C. culture. Interestingly, they don't necessarily sign on to every line in the GOP platform.
No, we don't, but we also know that the Republican party is closer to our views than the Democrats and if we can't influence the Republicans we can always start our own party, or join the Libertarian Party.

That's a decent plan for Americans, but what about Canadians? and, more of concern these days, what about the Conservative Party of Canada? I dislike the saying that a conservative is a liberal who got mugged because it is not only dismissive but also implies that conservatives are shallow: someone who will dump their moral principles wholesale after a traumatic event couldn't have held those values very dear. But liberals have become like a friend who keeps suggesting we go out for a latte even though she knows I take my coffee black - she employs the popular word but doesn't really think about what it means.

Thomspon again:

The left/right divide is not what it used to be — that's my point. At the end of the day, I care less about the map than the territory, less about labels than issues.
It seems to me that, once we accept that the old definitions of the left-right divide are no longer operable and that the Liberal Party is no longer liberal, those who oppose the Liberal Party are thereby free to shed the old labels and define themselves rather than let the Liberal Party do so.

The Meatriarchy (who is back from vacation) has an apropos post about a pending CBC interview with Trey Parker and Matt Stone and his own thoughts on the misuse of the term conservative.

The CBC Meets South Park may sound like a Monty Python skit, but that's been done. It was an internet thread titled Monty Python Meets the Borg, and the South Park-esque offering was Oh my God, they've assimilated Kenny. The bastards!

I sincerely doubt the CBC can assimilate South Park or even grasp what the movement is all about, but I do hope Canada is ready for the kind of alternative conservatism the South Park types offer: smaller government, de-centralization, truer respect for the individual and above all, replacing mindless prattle in correct-speak PC. It would also be nice to embrace the very liberal notion that we shouldn't be afraid to abandon programs that don't work - despite our investment of both years and money - and try some new solutions that actually might work.

There's a lot of unmarked territory out there, and the Conservatives should be the ones surveying and staking some out.

The innate inertia of Liberals is probably why I kind of share the South Park view of politics:

I hate conservatives, but I f***ing hate liberals.

May 29 - 02:42 - Many posts (like this one) reveal their intent after they have been written. It seems I still don't get why more of my former associates don't support Operation Iraqi Freedom.

I was shocked (in the true sense of the word) when Gulf War I didn't finish the job and get rid of Saddam. I felt a bit guilty so kept abreast of events (and massacres) in Iraq over the years and was on board for regime change long before 2000 elections.

I make no pretense at consistency! I fully recognize that the optimism of the 60's was counterweighed by our real fear of seeing the planet consumed in a nuclear holocaust and maybe our optimism was a defiant response to that fear.

But I never meant the post to be nuanced, and apologize for any pain inadvertant nuance may have caused readers.

I lean towards a libertarianism-with-a-safety-net preference and believe in the tenet That which is not expressly forbidden is thereby allowed (which has gotten me into some interesting exchanges during my years in Canada) and it's a hard-wired thing much like inherent rights and distrusting government.

But my invitation for Canadians to dispense with the old labels and scout the territory was genuine. Labels are human inventions and thus liable to change.

Today's musing were brought to you by the cliche Fortune favours the bold.

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1 Thank you for this. Shall read & re-read. ************************************************* 1790 Reflections on the Revolution in France by Edmund Burke. Suggest start with his last two paragraphs. Burke speaks to us across the centuries; a worthy, indeed. See also his thoughts on Marie Antoinette. http://www.eserver.org/18th/burke.txt Stay cool with Coolidge.

Posted by: maz2 at May 27, 2005 11:28 PM (wUOOJ)

2 Very interesting, Full of intagibles and nuance. Let's see if this 9th grade drop-out can get some of the Gist. Whearas we used to have these simple clubs, the Conservatives and the Liberals, known as the left and right. The Liberals used to spend too much money, so we turfed them and elected the Conservatives to get the books back in line. Now both clubs have muddied things by trying to cover the other's territory. The Liberals have developed Corporate conservative facets and the Conservatives promise not to be too Fraser institute like. Oh the confusion. Here in British Columbia, Gordon's Liberals are really bottom line worshippers. More right than the Social Credit ever were. It's too bad because while I applaud getting accounts under control, being cruel to the poor and disabled is not smart politically and will come back with a nasty bite. I was quite surprised the NDP didn't lead this time. They did rebound from two members to thirty-four though. Close. So nationally it may no longer be so important to elect a certain party as it will be to get legislation enacted that will return integrity to government. Legislation like Whistle-Blower Protection law that protect revenues from wholesale theft. Individual Ministry and departmental Account and Audit control as our honest leader Paul promised in his CBCTV grovel speech. He is an expert and his suggestion will make a difference. Now if we can only figure out how to get Sheila's audit alarms acted upon promptly, we may begin to see light at the end of the tunnel, no matter who holds sway in the commons. Holding Paul's feet to the fire is required to see anything worthy enacted. That requires focus. How do we focus and agree on a priority demand? Once chosen, letters and email with a FOCUS can sway a government where votes are life and death. If blogger power ever harneses focus, something the MSM can't seem to do, we could exert some real direction on whichever party happens to occupy Ottawa at the time. 73s TonyGuitar

Posted by: TonyGuitar at May 28, 2005 02:50 AM (rmMzv)

3 University of Calgary (National Post today) Who's the best - eh? A web-based survey of adult Americans living in Canada who have used both health-care systems, i.e., US and Canadian systems. http://www.chaps.ucalgary.ca/american.htm Or call 1-877-210-0030 (before 30 June 2005)

Posted by: maz2 at May 28, 2005 10:04 AM (hJcYl)

4 Posts like this are why I continue to visit your site - not just daily, but a couple of times a day in case you've posted something new. I'm not a small "c" conservative - I'm a single mom whose child was born in a common-law relationship (although I had her christened & her father signed the birth certificate, so perhaps I'm more conservative than I'll admit). My daughter spends a significant portion of her time with her father (not sure if that's L or C, but hey, whatever). I'm pro-abortion to a point (much after about 4 months & I'm squeamish, past 6 months...don't go there, and overall I'm not sure WHY it should be funded by the gov't - try & label THAT stand). The reality is (IMHO) that there is no way I'll find a party that supports my points of view on all issues 100%. My best bet is to find one CLOSE enough, which these days is the CPC. The NDP is too heavy on promises (easy, since the chance of them ever having power and having to DELIVER on same is ... well, normally I'd say NIL but after the budget/NDP budget/whoever climbs on board budget, that's perhaps harsh). I don't understand the need to label people and put them in a box. Who fits into a box easily (other than a corpse)? Very silly. Keep up the good work! A Canadian in a very confusing Canada

Posted by: Candace at May 29, 2005 01:41 AM (R7nd+)

5 As I admitted in the update, I am also very confused! I am beginning to realize that both Thompson's piece in the SF Chronicle and the interview are better than even I realized. Maz2, Thanks, I'm going to the Burke link now. Please keep leaving the links. Tony, oh no, not the nuance! I apologize. Also, I agree that changing parties won't change the problem and that whistle-blower protection is long overdue. Your response on your blog to the idea of printing and leaving blog posts in doctor's offices is a good start to get Canadians demanding changes. If we can get others to use "Libranos" when referring to the Liberal Party, it will be a sign that the message is getting out. Thanks, Candace, and I completely agree with your position on abortion - I find it impossible to believe that any woman who has borne a child can truly disagree with you - and I too have found that the value of fathers being involved with their children is much more important than is given credit. In my own case, I was chagrined when the father of my kids often proved better than me in handling some situations and was glad I had shut up and let him lead when he had solutions. Were I a citizen, I would probably vote for the CPC for many of the same reasons I voted for Bush. I agree with them more than a disagree on a point-by-point basis, and think they are more open to innovation, whereas the Liberals are lost in their own pursuit of power for power's sake.

Posted by: Debbye at May 29, 2005 03:58 AM (hLg6z)

6 Q: Please post your comments re the survey mentioned above on health care differences. One gathers you would have had experience with both "systems". Have you taken the survey? Also, Burke is long, heady reading, IMO. A hard copy / or paperback should be in any good used book store. There is much also about him & his work on the 'net. (IMO, re abortion:This observer's only comment is that it is regrettable that this has become politicized. Some things should be left to society and not become political.)

Posted by: maz2 at May 30, 2005 09:40 AM (GPl/7)

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