October 21, 2005
Canadians in Iraq
Oct. 21 - I must be getting old because I thought this was already well known but evidently the issue is that the knowledge has received official confirmation! Or maybe the issue is that Canadians participating in the "insurgency" tends to minimize the claim that said "insurgency" is an Iraqi-based resistance.
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Seems that according to the director of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, James Judd, some Canadians are taking part in Iraqi insurgency. (Gasp!)
According to Keith Boag, the CBC's Ottawa bureau chief, the Prime Minister's Office was "flabbergasted" that such sensitive information could be released by the head of the spy agency. "They didn't know it was being spoken about publicly and for that they [the PMO] are very angry."You mean when they return here seeking health care after being wounded in action? That issue has already been settled as has their legal status."The prime minister never comments on intelligence matters and they were under the impression that CSIS didn't either," said Boag.
Acknowledgment that Canadians are fighting in Iraq raises a number of questions, such as what will their status be if they decide to return to Canada.
"It raises the longer-term question of what do they bode for the future?" Judd said.I guess it's really nice that they are at least considering the long-term ramifications but expecting action from this government? Uh, no, although there are those who are more than anxious to prosecute U.S. President George Bush under Canada's Criminal Code, and a Vancouver court has lifted a publication ban on attempts to do just that:
The Kitsilano lawyer [Gail Davidson] got the ball rolling against Bush as soon as he set foot on Canadian soil for his November 30, 2004, visit. As a private citizen, she charged him with seven counts of counselling, aiding, and abetting torture at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq and at CubaÂ’s Guantanamo Bay naval base. She had her charges accepted by a justice of the peace in Vancouver Provincial Court.You can read about the legal wranglings at the link. (I included it because I didn't didn't want anyone to think that Canadians are incapable of taking A Stand On Moral Issues.)Bush faces prison time if the case goes to trial and he is found guilty.
On December 6, 2004, Davidson was at Provincial Court to fix a date for the process hearing. However, Provincial Court Judge William Kitchen promptly ordered a Straight reporter and other observers from the courtroom and cancelled the charges, declaring them a “nullity”. The meeting was deemed to be “in-camera” and Kitchen concluded immediately that Bush had diplomatic immunity during his two-day visit to Canada because he was a head of state.
(Links via Neale News.)
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This is all very interestng. A statement of principle more than anything. I do not see anything like a possibility here, however it is one way to illustrate a point.
More possible and closer to home, I was wondering.
I wonder how many of you got the Email today from Democracy watch?
Its a long rambling Email about returning ethics to government. Also the note touches upon global warning. There is mention of a cocktail party where Ralph Nader will speak.
Of cause when I first got into this thing, I was all enthusiastic.
There was mention of filling out a form and a link. The link went to hour.ca/news.
I began filling in the questions and further down there were privacy invading questions.
I went back and erased everything and took a look at Hour.ca . It's a site about living the high life in Montreal.
Why should I provide personal information to them, just because I thought Democracy watch was ok?
I have doubts about the whole gang now.
The Cocktail party with speaker Ralph Nader that Democracy Watch mentioned has a price tag of $185 per person.
Besides raising money, has Democracy watch done anything useful in Canada that you know of.
What about focus? Can D.W. clean up ethics in Ottawa while talking about global warming at the same time?
I am not slamming so much as wondering if they just really want to collect donations and not get their hands dirty?
Does any one really know? TG
Posted by: TonyGuitar at October 21, 2005 11:35 PM (rmMzv)
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The most mentally retarded, and traitorous act I have seen in my 77 plus years living and fighting for this Country as many members of my family have down through the years. Who the hell does Herr Martin and that shreeker retard McLennon think they are hymotising now? If Canadians were going off shore to kill the French, Herr Maztin would stay up all night designing legislation to stop it immediately. If there was any a move that postiviely proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that this Kanadian Furehor is a traitor to Anglo Canadians, and fully in bed with the Terrorists, what else has he to do.
How many big cheques is the Furehor getting from the 200,000 plus Tamils, and others in the Muslim community that are cheering his latest act of treachery?
The Opposition better show their mettle on this real soon, and DO SOMETHING even it was to ring the bells or boycott question Period which is a cruel joke anyway.
This is one Vet that the only consolation I can take from this is that the Canadian dead from past wars do not know what they died for, if they did, they would take up arms against their onw fascist Librano$ traitors, as thats exactly what they are in my eys.
God help us all, and God bless ALL of the troops. Have Canadians lost not only thier back bones but all sense of decency, are the fridges so full of beer that they just don't give a shit until it is time for their head to roll?
Beyond words, but not to be surprised with this gang of THUGS AND MENTALLY DERANGED MAFIOSA LIBRANO$. in Ottawa:
They will meet their comupance, either in this life or their MAKER, because these Librano thugs have a guaranteed ticket to hell.
Notice how this bombshell came out on a Friday? The thugs are hoping we will forget with our hangovers come Monday!
Stephen. Parksville. BC. WW 2 vet.
Posted by: stephenmichaud at October 22, 2005 12:49 AM (bxOjK)
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By the way, there is hard evidence that the ice caps in the north are expanding from the latest data received from measurments taken by sattelite. I have said all along, anyone believe this horendous lie on so-called Globel warming, are only those that are on the take from a George Soros ilk group that are trying to break the economy of the United States,and Kanada and I am sick up to here, hearing about this BULLS-GAS!
Stehen. Parksville BC ww 2 vet.
Posted by: stephenmichaud at October 22, 2005 12:57 AM (bxOjK)
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Ice caps come and ice caps go - just like species.
Back on topic, what happens when some of these Canadian "heros" return from Iraq and the US asks for their extradition and Canada refuses?
Would that make Canada a hostile country (harboring beligerents and all)?
Then what?
Posted by: Jay at October 22, 2005 01:30 AM (PIbeE)
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Jay, thanks for commenting, I don't see the kind of rection I would have thought created, what is it? Have the Canadian people thrown in the towel and become robotic beer drinking hockyey and football fans and thats all? How long will they keep their sports if this keeps up, and do you agree that if it was Canadians going overseas to kill the French, Herr Martin would be up all nite designing legislation to stop it and arrest those before they get on the planes, believe it, thats if the French were being killed.
This Country is no longer a save place to bring up kids, the immigrants are leaving in droves, and the decent Canadians are leaving in droves, leaving a waistland of corruption and filth, for the Elite to become very rich, using Canada as their own personal bank acct. at the expense of us all.
You have a better chance of dying from a criminal act now than of old age.
I have never been so devistated in my life, and how now can we face the Americans with any kind of pride, or respect, or manlihood? We can't and there will be deaths on this continent over this, the American kooks of the country will take great delight out of getting even by killing Canadian tourists, bet on it.
Well the Librano$ voted in these mental retards now that have turned into beasts, and evil, lets see how many vote for them that will be showing their colours that they too are nothing more than beasts and evil.
God bless all the troops, GEEZE, I wish I was younger, I would join up just to go looking for these so-calle "Canadians", and be happy to blow their brains out. Will they get blown out if they make it back here?, HMMMMMMM interesting?
Stphen Parksville BC ww 2 vet.
Posted by: stephenmichaud at October 22, 2005 03:59 AM (bxOjK)
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Stephen, I share your frustration and bewilderment. It often seems as though the values that people like you - along with my great-grandfather, grandfather and father - fought for so valiantly have been suddenly deemed irrelevant. Yet the growing number of Canadian blogs indicates that there is growing resistance to the kind of appeasement to totalitarianism that the Liberal Party espouses, and is it not a sign of hope that so many have been moved to speak out?
Further, I firmly believe that, where there are indeed some people who came here with murder in their hearts, many more came here to embrace freedom. They haven't found a voice, but they definitely don't want to return to countries ruled by despots.
This is a small but telling sign: I attended a committee meeting at a near-by Legion Hall (it was over a non-Legion related thing but they are generous to community groups) and some idiot whined because he had to take his hat off. It wasn't the first time he whined about his imaginery issue but it did mark the first time that everyone at the meeting rose en masse and revolted at his sneering ingratitude - we wanted to toss him out even after he removed his hat!
Small thing, to be sure, but telling (and I live in Toronto, for crying out loud!)
And don't you ever be ashamed. We Americans are fully aware that we have appeasers in our midst too (one made an unsuccessful run for the presidency only last year!) and just as we had to carefully nurse our own embers during the Clinton years so we know too that the embers in the hearts of those bold fighting men from the North may appear to be dormant but they have not been extinguished.
As for attacking France, how I'd love to lead that charge! Sadly, reason tells me that it is much more satifying to back them into a corner, as has been done over Lebanon with the U.N.'s Mehlis report. But every dog has his day ...
Posted by: Debbye at October 23, 2005 05:07 AM (USyJ8)
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Well then instead of being neutral in the matter of the illegal war against Iraq, if what you posted is correct then it appears some Canadians are on the side that is right in this matter, even more morally good than being neutral, like Americans and Canadians who went overseas and joined the International Brigades in the Spanish Civil War to fight against the fascists. I guess these guys are just fighting against today's fascist oppressors, the U.S. Can't really blame them as it is America that's totally in the wrong here.
Posted by: Lawrence at October 27, 2005 11:58 AM (6/LqO)
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